Paul Ryan!!

[wynnejj]

Romney brings some business experience to the table, and Ryan brings a good business proposal. Good pick.

 

[catholicanne]

They are both pro-life and Ryan is a Catholic. That’s good enough for me!

 

[Pork_Roll]

Ya, because us “Tea Party Nuts” are just crazy, with all of our talk about fiscal responsibility and deficit reduction.

The problem is that Romney and Bush supported the bailouts of companies too big to fail–how was that fiscally responsible?

Bush dramatically increased spending over his predecessor. Obama basically is following Bush’s lead and has adopted a modified Romney health care plan first implemented by him in Massachusetts. Ryan’s economic views were formed from an atheistic darwinian philosophy that is antithetical to traditional Christianity. We know according to the scriptures, the early Christians distributed wealth according to need and not only according to business savvy.

The truth is these candidates were appointed by the powers that be and not by popular opinion. If Ryan’s economic philosophy were formed by catholic social encyclicals, he would never would have been chosen by Romney. We are only voting for the lesser of evils here. Our goal as Catholics is to bring BOTH parties in line with Catholic teaching and not to bring Catholicism in line with the republican or democrat platforms.

 

[PJD1987]

The problem is that Romney and Bush supported the bailouts of companies too big to fail–how was that fiscally responsible?

Bush dramatically increased spending over his predecessor. Obama basically is following Bush’s lead and has adopted a modified Romney health care plan first implemented by him in Massachusetts. Ryan’s economic views were formed from an atheistic darwinian philosophy that is antithetical to traditional Christianity. We know according to the scriptures, the early Christians distributed wealth according to need and not only according to business savvy.

The truth is these candidates were appointed by the powers that be and not by popular opinion. If Ryan’s economic philosophy were formed by catholic social encyclicals, he would never would have been chosen by Romney. We are only voting for the lesser of evils here. Our goal as Catholics is to bring BOTH parties in line with Catholic teaching and not to bring Catholicism in line with the republican or democrat platforms.

Ryan’s plan is formed by Catholic Social Teaching, I mean…whether you acknowledge that or not is a different story, but it’s a fact. Why would he never have been chosen by Romney? That’s an unsubstantiated claim based on nothing but conjecture and misinformation.

Ryan’s economic views are not formed by atheistic darwinian philosophy, that’s another smear and outright lie.

Please don’t believe the lies about Mr. Romney or Mr. Ryan, they are both upstanding gentlemen trying to win back the country from the true atheistic darwinian, Mr. Obama, who has us on an unsustainable path of economic disaster, radical secularism, and infringement upon our 1st Amendment Rights to practice our faith.

As far as bringing both parties into line, this is true, but highly unlikely to ever happen. Until then, we pray for them and continue to vote for pro-life candidates and should hold each other accountable on that.

I implore you to not fall victim to the left-wing attacks, smear campaigns, and character assassination. They are very good at that, unfortunately, but they are literally all lies and misinformation.

Mitt Romney and Paul Ryan are good men with proven records.

God bless.

-Paul

 

[_Abyssinia]

Liberal Wyden’s partnership with Ryan becomes a GOP talking point

washingtonpost.com/lifestyle/style/liberal-wydens-partnership-with-ryan-becomes-a-gop-talking-point/2012/08/12/70d2a1ee-e4c3-11e1-8f62-58260e3940a0_story.html

The full name of the Ryan budget is the Wyden-Ryan plan, he was not used as a democrat claims, he contributed, and Wyden trying to distance himself will not work

 

[Pork_Roll]

Mitt Romney and Paul Ryan are good men with proven records.

Romney supported Wall Street bailouts–fact
Romney belongs to a cult called Morminism–fact
Romney started mandated health care in Massachusetts–fact
Romney supported Obama and Congress’ decision to give the president the authority to imprison or execute citizens suspected of terrorism without due process–fact
Paul Ryan was heavily influenced by Ayn Rand’s economic views who was an atheist who was critical of JPII (someone who supported free market principles)–fact.

That being said, I’m voting for them because Obama is a huge promoter of the culture of death. Romney and Paul are pro-life. All other issues pale in comparison.

 

[ishii]

Bush dramatically increased spending over his predecessor…

Newsflash: Bush isn’t running this year. The current GOP candidate’s name is Romney and his vp choice is Paul Ryan. Have you looked at his budget?

Ryan’s economic views were formed from an atheistic darwinian philosophy that is antithetical to traditional Christianity. We know according to the scriptures, the early Christians distributed wealth according to need and not only according to business savvy. .

What simplistic fatuous nonsense. One doesn’t need an atheist, darwinian philosophy to believe in the free market economics. You are unfairly smearing a good Catholic man, Ryan. Shame on you.

The truth is these candidates were appointed by the powers that be .

Oh I get it, you’re a conspiracy theorist.

and not by popular opinion. If Ryan’s economic philosophy were formed by catholic social encyclicals, he would never would have been chosen by Romney. We are only voting for the lesser of evils here…

Since no one candidate is perfect, we are always voting for the lesser of two evils. I will vote for pro-life, pro-religious freedom, pro-fiscal discipline Romney/Ryan over the pro-abortion/gay, socialistic Obama/Biden. Their policies are evil. Don’t let anyone tell you that Obama policies and Romney policies are somehow morally equivalent - they aren’t at all.

Our goal as Catholics is to bring BOTH parties in line with Catholic teaching and not to bring Catholicism in line with the republican or democrat platforms.

We should also repudiate the Democrat party that is currently diametrically opposed to Catholic moral teaching on the biggest issues of our time. In voting for the GOP, we ought to hold their feet to the fire and make them deliver on their promises, but there is no justification for voting for Obama, and there is no moral justification for not voting against Obama.

Ishii

 

[PJD1987]

Romney supported Wall Street bailouts–fact
Romney belongs to a cult called Morminism–fact
Romney started mandated health care in Massachusetts–fact
Romney supported Obama and Congress’ decision to give the president the authority to imprison or execute citizens suspected of terrorism without due process–fact
Paul Ryan was heavily influenced by Ayn Rand’s economic views who was an atheist who was critical of JPII (someone who supported free market principles)–fact.

That being said, I’m voting for them because Obama is a huge promoter of the culture of death. Romney and Paul are pro-life. All other issues pale in comparison.

Well I’m glad to hear you are voting for them.

As for the points you’ve made, 1. Given the context of the unprecedented fiscal situation, a lot of people were forced to make very difficult decisions (Wall Street bailouts) that under normal situations they would not have made. It was an unpleasant choice to make, but the alternative was a Great Depression…2. No matter what the left tries to say, Romney’s health care plan in Massachusetts was different than a federally mandated plan…3. If such a citizen is deemed to be an enemy combatant then they will be treated as such. If one does not want to be treated as an enemy combatant, do not involve oneself in things that can be considered aiding and abetting enemy attacks. (This point can be debated and arguments exist for both sides…at the end of the day, there will always be people that support a decision like this such as myself, and people who do not, like yourself) 4. Ayn Rand is one of many influences on Paul Ryan’s worldview and economic philosophy, Ronald Reagan and Jack Kemp being two more influential people than Ayn Rand in his life. The fact that he read an Ayn Rand book and agreed with an underlying economic philosophy does not equal him endorsing her anti-religious outlook on life. The two do not equal each other and that is a fact. I also would direct you here: freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2917290/posts to read more about this Ayn Rand/Paul Ryan connection.

Just like you voting for Romney/Ryan does not mean you agree 100% with all their views on everything.

God bless.

-Paul

EDIT: 5. Why Mitt Romney’s religion has any bearing on his character is beyond me. Seems rather narrow-minded and bigoted to dismiss him as a person due to his religion, no?

 

[Pork_Roll]

. Ayn Rand is one of many influences on Paul Ryan’s worldview and economic philosophy, Ronald Reagan and Jack Kemp being two more influential people than Ayn Rand in his life.

The problem is that Ayn Rand was critical of Paul VI encyclical on social teaching (economics). She may have some valid insights but her economic theory is opposed or contrary somewhat to the catholic church and its social teachings. She definitively was no friend of the catholic church and considered the church opposed to reason and capitalism.

As for Romney’s Mormonism, I do have serious issues with it and I think it is evil.

But there is no way any catholic should vote for Obama over Romney in my opinion.

 

[PJD1987]

The problem is that Ayn Rand was critical of Paul VI encyclical on social teaching (economics). She may have some valid insights but her economic theory is opposed or contrary somewhat to the catholic church and its social teachings.

As for Romney’s Mormonism, I do have serious issues with it and I think it is evil.

But there is no way any catholic should vote for Obama over Romney in my opinion.

Well I do hope you take a look at the link I provided. It may settle some of your doubts regarding the Ryan/Rand connection. Then again, you may dismiss it. Either way, it’s worth a look. I think too much is being made of it, to be frank.

God bless.

-Paul

 

[Pork_Roll]

The dominant chord of the encyclical’s sense of life is hatred for man’s mind—hence hatred for man—hence hatred for life and for this earth—hence hatred for man’s enjoyment of his life on earth—and hence, as a last and least consequence, hatred for the only social system that makes all these values possible in practice: capitalism.

Here is a quote from Ayn Rand’s critique of Paul VI encyclical “Requiem for Man”. I don’t see how a catholic could base his economic views on someone who criticizes official catholic teaching on economics. I think Ryan should completely distance himself from Ayn Rand.

“I think Ayn Rand did the best job of anybody to build a moral case of capitalism, and that morality of capitalism is under assault.”

The problem is that Romney likely chose Paul Ryan on account of his economic views.

 

[SeekNFind]

**Republicans do not play race politics? **Is that why there is the current false Romney ad which states Obama has increased welfare without work, leaving out the state waivers provision, which Romney himself has favored? The ad which also states that Obama has negated the Bill Clinton initiative (triggered by Gingrich), which Clinton has denied? And why Gingrich has made it a point of endlessly repeating that Obama is the food-stamp President, which is not even true, when one compares the number of people on food stamps under GWB? No racial overtones, no race politics here?

They absolutely do. While they call Obama “food-stamp president” they fail to also mention that whites receive the majority of welfare in this country although the perception is that it’s minorities.

 

[CaptFun]

I want to hear Joe Biden’s thoughts on Thomas Aquinas…

Well … Joe calls him Thomas ***AMERICA! *** :takeoff:

*Jan. 31, 2007 – Biden announces his presidential bid – and calls Obama “the first mainstream African-American who is articulate and bright and clean and a nice-looking guy. I mean, that’s a storybook, man.”
*

:whacky::bounce: -* First one!*

 

[Veridical16]

From an audio interview in 2005-guess he was running for something different then.

There’s also a video on youtube taken from his facebook page in 2009 where he says Rand’s thinking was “sorely needed right now”

National ambitions can definitely change a person.

Just because he drew from certain philosophies doesn’t mean he doesn’t know the shortcomings within them.

“I reject her philosophy,” Ryan says firmly. “It’s an atheist philosophy. It reduces human interactions down to mere contracts and it is antithetical to my worldview. If somebody is going to try to paste a person’s view on epistemology to me, then give me Thomas Aquinas,” who believed that man needs divine help in the pursuit of knowledge. “Don’t give me Ayn Rand,” he says.

I don’t think what he says in a later interview was out of convenience…

Ryan has read many other philosophers, and possibly is a little influenced from those that conservatives draw from, that aren’t necessarily good , like Enlightenment period philosophers, I still don’t understand what the problem is since it’s okay to get acquainted with philosophies, as long as we know what the STANDARD of truth IS to recognize the errors within such philosophies…

I do believe Ryan 's answer in a later interview he was a little embarrassed.
So if Ryan was naive there still is no, sign that he is stuck with those errors in his world view. This happens in both directions

Nietzche used to be devout and religious then he went into despair and went mad…

Here is an interview with Ryan by CNN

youtube.com/watch?v=KoL-DnoT4o8

“He is a guy without guile, without pretense…”

• Bill Bennett

[on why his plan resonated with the tea party]

But even Republicans steered clear of his more controversial budget ideas. That is until the Tea Party gained steam.

Paul Ryan : I think it’s the circumstances about what happened, because of the recession, the result of binge and spending that occurred afterward, that sort of brought these ideas into the main stream.

Gloria Borger : . . .because it’s not like you had an extreme makeover. "

Paul Ryan : No , no, I’ve been pushing the same things for a long time "

Gloria Borger : Ryan became popular by pushing the unpopular like killing his colleague’s pork projects, or trying to revamp social security, and eventually trying to change medicare into a program of vouchers for private insurers.

The rest of the interview is a pretty good profile. It’s from earlier this year.

By the way Ryan interacts in the interview, I don’t think he is someone who doesn’t know who he is…He seemed pretty earnest about why he started to become noticed.

There might be some typical ambitious types, but those Rand quotes don’t reveal anything duplicitous about him.

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Also in the interview CNN highlights (unintentionally lol) an aspect to Obama that shows Obama’s character and pride… in regard to Ryan challenging Obama on the Healthcare summit.

 

[Veridical16]

Well … Joe calls him Thomas ***AMERICA! *** :takeoff:

*Jan. 31, 2007 – Biden announces his presidential bid – and calls Obama “the first mainstream African-American who is articulate and bright and clean and a nice-looking guy. I mean, that’s a storybook, man.”
*

:whacky::bounce: -* First one!*

 

[_Abyssinia]

ishii:
Awesome to see you back

 

[_Abyssinia]

Ishii

Awesome to see you back

 

[Caldera]

Romney / Ryan is a winning ticket!

Tea Party Groups Enthused by Ryan Pick

GOP presidential contender Mitt Romney’s choice of Wisconsin budget guru Rep. Paul Ryan as his running mate has ignited nationwide grass-roots support for the GOP ticket.

Positive reaction and outright enthusiasm in response to Ryan’s selection poured in Saturday from several tea party sources.
…
newsmax.com/Politics/tea-Ryan-enthused-VP/2012/08/11/id/448272

 

[Scott_Lafrance]

The problem is that Romney and Bush supported the bailouts of companies too big to fail–how was that fiscally responsible?

Bush dramatically increased spending over his predecessor. Obama basically is following Bush’s lead and has adopted a modified Romney health care plan first implemented by him in Massachusetts. Ryan’s economic views were formed from an atheistic darwinian philosophy that is antithetical to traditional Christianity. We know according to the scriptures, the early Christians distributed wealth according to need and not only according to business savvy.

The truth is these candidates were appointed by the powers that be and not by popular opinion. If Ryan’s economic philosophy were formed by catholic social encyclicals, he would never would have been chosen by Romney. We are only voting for the lesser of evils here. Our goal as Catholics is to bring BOTH parties in line with Catholic teaching and not to bring Catholicism in line with the republican or democrat platforms.

The Tea Party started as a reaction to Bush’s TARP and out of the ashes of Ron Paul’s 2008 presidential campaign. Alot of people believe that the Tea Party started as a resistance reaction to Obama, but the roots were laid during the Bush Admininstration, and both Obama and McCain were onboard with TARP, it opposed them too. They didn’t start organizing and supporting rallies until 2009, when they adopted the "TEA (Taxed Enough Already) Party after Rick Santelli’s rant on the floor of the Chicago Climate Exchange.

 

[Marie5890]

Romney / Ryan is a winning ticket!

Tea Party Groups Enthused by Ryan Pick

GOP presidential contender Mitt Romney’s choice of Wisconsin budget guru Rep. Paul Ryan as his running mate has ignited nationwide grass-roots support for the GOP ticket.

Positive reaction and outright enthusiasm in response to Ryan’s selection poured in Saturday from several tea party sources.
…
newsmax.com/Politics/tea-Ryan-enthused-VP/2012/08/11/id/448272

But it’s not the tea party-ers who will get them the win.

It’s the independents and moderates in the swing states that matter.