Pelosi Says Her Catholic Faith ‘Compels’ Her To Support Gay Marriage

[He_Man]

What’s going to be different if she’s excommunicated beyond being told she is not to receive the Eucharist nor take on a parish role of any kind until reconciled? She’s still going to be a Catholic by virtue of her Baptism.

Lessen the sin of scandal. At least then, publically it shows these beliefs are incompatible with Church teachings, and perhaps will lessen the amount of those led astray by people of her ilk.

You take steps as much for other Catholic voters as you do for her.

 

[Scott_Lafrance]

Me too. Makes you wonder about the sanity of the people in her district. If she’s the best they have to offer, the rest must be stark raving lunatics.

Ms. Pelosi would be best off is she followed the old adage:

“Tis better to be thought a fool than to open one’s mouth and remove all doubt.”

 

[CMatt25]

Why is that scary?

I’m just usually not given much credit or thought of getting much of anything right. So I was just attempting to make a lame joke.

 

[CatholicBoy1957]

Why does the Church continue to call her Catholic? I think Baptism is another thing that makes one Catholic at least according to the Church.

Whosoever, therefore, knowing that the Catholic Church was made necessary by Christ, would refuse to enter or to remain in it, could not be saved.

If Vatican 2 discusses refusing “to remain in it”, doesn’t that seem to imply that one could cease being Catholic?

vatican.va/archive/hist_councils/ii_vatican_council/documents/vat-ii_const_19641121_lumen-gentium_en.html

This whole paragraph is good:

1. This Sacred Council wishes to turn its attention firstly to the Catholic faithful. Basing itself upon Sacred Scripture and Tradition, it teaches that the Church, now sojourning on earth as an exile, is necessary for salvation. Christ, present to us in His Body, which is the Church, is the one Mediator and the unique way of salvation. In explicit terms He Himself affirmed the necessity of faith and baptism(124) and thereby affirmed also the necessity of the Church, for through baptism as through a door men enter the Church. Whosoever, therefore, knowing that the Catholic Church was made necessary by Christ, would refuse to enter or to remain in it, could not be saved.

They are fully incorporated in the society of the Church who, possessing the Spirit of Christ accept her entire system and all the means of salvation given to her, and are united with her as part of her visible bodily structure and through her with Christ, who rules her through the Supreme Pontiff and the bishops. The bonds which bind men to the Church in a visible way are profession of faith, the sacraments, and ecclesiastical government and communion. He is not saved, however, who, though part of the body of the Church, does not persevere in charity. He remains indeed in the bosom of the Church, but, as it were, only in a “bodily” manner and not “in his heart.”(12*) All the Church’s children should remember that their exalted status is to be attributed not to their own merits but to the special grace of Christ. If they fail moreover to respond to that grace in thought, word and deed, not only shall they not be saved but they will be the more severely judged.(13*)

Catechumens who, moved by the Holy Spirit, seek with explicit intention to be incorporated into the Church are by that very intention joined with her. With love and solicitude Mother Church already embraces them as her own.

 

[oldcelt]

Me too.

You’re a registered Democrat? Sorry, I just couldn’t resist that one. I know what you meant.

I’m certain that Mrs. Pelosi has done a great deal of good for her district, but her tendency to create needless controversy is troubling to me.

John

 

[oldcelt]

Ms. Pelosi would be best off is she followed the old adage:

“Tis better to be thought a fool than to open one’s mouth and remove all doubt.”

I couldn’t have said it better, and that fact REALLY annoys me.

John

 

[Jeffrey]

I agree its sending a very bad message.

Can she be excommunicated, please? Please, please, pretty please?

 

[CMatt25]

I always speak that term. Even if you speak down to people, it’s asking a lot to ask them to understand.

Good for you because that perhaps in cases would be more accurate and it makes more sense and it is more truthful then to say it that way since that is what you mean. Just let a Catholic according to the answer given by the Church to ID Catholic if they wish and make it known to others when the person’s message is contrary to or not totally faithful to teachings.

 

[He_Man]

She’s just as Catholic as Hatsune Miku is a real-life person.

Don’t you dare…


http://images.search.yahoo.com/imag...b=132t8glq9&sigi=11kc5pvs2&.crumb=zB3.yJNr9tK

 

[Havard]

I’m just usually not given much credit or thought of getting much of anything right. So I was just attempting to make a lame joke.

I am often of the opinion that when people on this forum (and in general) get adversarial, they forget that the “other side” is not necessarily exclusively wrong. Often times (but not always), there’s something to be learned from both sides of an argument.

I really hope that happens here, that we develop understanding of each other, rather than resort to demonizing each other into twisted caricatures in our minds.

 

[CatholicBoy1957]

What’s going to be different if she’s excommunicated beyond being told she is not to receive the Eucharist nor take on a parish role of any kind until reconciled? She’s still going to be a Catholic by virtue of her Baptism.

PART I.

DELICTS AND PENALTIES IN GENERAL

TITLE I

THE PUNISHMENT OF DELICTS IN GENERAL (Cann. 1311 - 1312)

Can. 1311 The Church has the innate and proper right to coerce offending members of the Christian faithful with penal sanctions.

Can. 1312 §1. The following are penal sanctions in the Church:

1/ medicinal penalties, or censures, which are listed in ⇒ cann. 1331-1333;

2/ expiatory penalties mentioned in ⇒ can. 1336.

§2. The law can establish other expiatory penalties which deprive a member of the Christian faithful of some spiritual or temporal good and which are consistent with the supernatural purpose of the Church.

§3. Penal remedies and penances are also used; the former especially to prevent delicts, the latter to substitute for or to increase a penalty.

vatican.va/archive/ENG1104/__P4U.HTM

Canon Law refers to it as being medicinal. In other words, there is the hope of her repentance. It would be terribly uncharitable for faithful Catholics, who know better, to wish her otherwise, with the possibility of imperiling her soul.

There’s some good reading right here:

archive.catholic.com/thisrock/2007/0711fea4.asp

Medicine for the Soul

First, we will look at how the Church understands excommunication. To begin, excommunication is one of three types of censure (the other two are suspension and interdict).

Censures are otherwise known as medicinal penalties. Their purpose is not to punish an individual for violating the law. The purpose is to act as medicine for the soul that will bring about repentance, so that the person can return to full communion with the Church.

 

[Scott_Lafrance]

Don’t you dare…

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Yes, and Domo-Kun are real monsters too!

 

[CMatt25]

If someone is publically vocal and brings scandal to the Church, then I have no problem with the Church excommunicating them. I’m not sure where the confusion is.

No confusion. I was just wondering when this might start. Sort of what I think Julia was talking about back there when she said the Church will have to excommunicate her and others too.

 

[Dawnia]

You’re a registered Democrat? Sorry, I just couldn’t resist that one. I know what you meant.

I’m certain that Mrs. Pelosi has done a great deal of good for her district, but her tendency to create needless controversy is troubling to me.

John

I am not discriminatory when it comes to political parties I vote for the politician I think will do the best job.

 

[CMatt25]

If Vatican 2 discusses refusing “to remain in it”, doesn’t that seem to imply that one could cease being Catholic?

vatican.va/archive/hist_councils/ii_vatican_council/documents/vat-ii_const_19641121_lumen-gentium_en.html

This whole paragraph is good:

That whole idea of not entering and not remaining and then judging who could not be saved and why it’s written that way is a puzzlement to me in itself. I never have and still don’t after all of my inquiries understand the judgment part when Christ said not to judge another’s salvation.

 

[oldcelt]

I am not discriminatory when it comes to political parties I vote for the politician I think will do the best job.

Me too,

John

 

[CatholicBoy1957]

That whole idea of not entering and not remaining and then judging who could not be saved is a puzzlement to me in itself.

10 And his disciples came and said to him: Why speakest thou to them in parables? 11 Who answered and said to them: Because to you it is given to know the mysteries of the kingdom of heaven: but to them it is not given. 12 For he that hath, to him shall be given, and he shall abound: but he that hath not, from him shall be taken away that also which he hath. 13 Therefore do I speak to them in parables: because seeing they see not, and hearing they hear not, neither do they understand.

drb.scripturetext.com/matthew/13.htm

 

[CatholicBoy1957]

No confusion. I was just wondering when this might start. Sort of what I think Julia was talking about back there when she said the Church will have to excommunicate her and others too.

There are people who wonder when the Church will excommunicate Hitler. I guess, instead of a series of conferences which condemned the National Socialist ideologies, someone expected the Pope to go personally to Berlin with a Swiss Guard to poke Hitler in the Heine with their great big spear.

 

[CMatt25]

I am often of the opinion that when people on this forum (and in general) get adversarial, they forget that the “other side” is not necessarily exclusively wrong. Often times (but not always), there’s something to be learned from both sides of an argument.

I really hope that happens here, that we develop understanding of each other, rather than resort to demonizing each other into twisted caricatures in our minds.

Yes and we’ve all or at least most of us have probably been guilty of this I think, Havard, at one time or another. We’re all human. God bless and peace.

 

[TrueLight]

You’ll have to excommunicate me, also, along with a lot of other Catholics who feel the same way. Charity demands civil union, IMO.

You believe that homosexuals should have the right to marry?