Perspective | Catholics want New York’s Gov. Cuomo to be excommunicated for his

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The unborn are innocent, that’ seems to be delineated in the Catechism.

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Scripture specifies the prohibition contained in the fifth commandment: "Do not slay the innocent and the righteous."61
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http://www.vatican.va/archive/ccc_css/archive/catechism/p3s2c2a5.htm

There are death penalty threads, there are abortion threads, euthanasia threads.

I really have to wonder about shifting a thread topic from abortion to capital punishment, honestly. Is there some motive to do that? Does it make some uncomfortable? This really seems to be a deliberate attempt to change the subject matter.

Am I going into a thread talking about Venezuela and making it about Japan, Cuba or the USA?

The Catholic Church does seem to make a distinction about “innocent” human life. Those citing the death penalty do not seem to have this point about innocence.

The Church, Popes, Bishops, Catholic media (radio, tv) make a big deal out of the pro-life cause. That’s about all I know. Encyclicals and so on like “The Theology of the Body”, it really do seem that some are seeking to steer Catholic teaching to suit themselves.
 
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I don’t know. The purpose of excommunication, as I understand it, is to bring the disobedient member back into the Church. In Cuomo’s case, I don’t think it would work, but I’ll leave that up to the Bishop.
 
Would he have incurred automatic excommunication, latae sententiae, for his action? It seems to me his action in approving this bill could be considered acting as an accomplice in the commission of abortion.
 
Instead of seeing this in my fellow parishioners on Sunday:
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I pray to see what Jesus saw from the Cross.

There are over 70 million Catholics in the USA and impressively, several thousand people recently Marched for Life in D.C. It is easy to crunch the numbers and understand that many fellow Catholics probably stand in a pool with Cuomo.

Lord Jesus Christ have mercy on me, a sinner.
 
Mtatum1958 said:
Would he have incurred automatic excommunication, latae sententiae, for his action? It seems to me his action in approving this bill could be considered acting as an accomplice in the commission of abortion.
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Some people have proposed this, but I read on Edward Peters’ blog that provision of Canon Law wouldn’t apply in this case for whatever reason; he was still in favor of some kind of sanction or punishment based on other provisions of Canon Law.

I think at this point there would still be value in excommunicating Cuomo not because there would be any realistic chance of changing his mind, but because it is necessary to set an example for others. You can go after the stray sheep, but if he doesn’t want to come back, you’ll eventually have to let him find his own way and go back to look after the others.
 
Beryllos said:
The purpose of excommunication, as I understand it, is to bring the disobedient member back into the Church. In Cuomo’s case, I don’t think it would work, but I’ll leave that up to the Bishop.
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Yes, it is a “medicinal” penalty which has, as its primary purpose, the reform of the offender. Yet, it is not exclusively medicinal–the imposition of such a penalty should also be a teaching moment for the entire church regarding the serious nature of the offense, thereby discouraging such behavior from others.

Whether or not imposing a censure such as excommunication will “work” in a particular case, bringing about the repentance of the offender, who can know for sure. If it is a warranted penalty, and other measures have failed, it should be imposed (speaking generally). I don’t know what has been done with Cuomo up to this point, as far as warnings, precepts, etc…

Dan
 
Weserthy said:
Some people have proposed this, but I read on Edward Peters’ blog that provision of Canon Law wouldn’t apply in this case for whatever reason; he was still in favor of some kind of sanction or punishment based on other provisions of Canon Law.
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I think I read that same article, I just don’t remember when or exactly what he said. As I recall it was that supporting abortion was not an offense that results in excommunication. It’s not clear that signing such a bill doesn’t rise to that level. I imagine Peters will write something about it.
I think at this point there would still be value in excommunicating Cuomo not because there would be any realistic chance of changing his mind, but because it is necessary to set an example for others.
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At the very least the bishops both can and should announce that he will be denied communion. That much is actually a requirement of Canon 915. Most bishops, however, have been way too lax in enforcing it so I’m not holding out much hope that those in New York will be any more responsive.
 
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At the very least the bishops both can and should announce that he will be denied communion.
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It’s my understanding that he no longer presents himself for communion owing to his living with a new partner after his divorce.
 
Weserthy said:
Some people have proposed this, but I read on Edward Peters’ blog that provision of Canon Law wouldn’t apply in this case for whatever reason; he was still in favor of some kind of sanction or punishment based on other provisions of Canon Law.
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Thank you for the post referencing this blog. I did have the time to read the post. I feel I agree with his comments and understand this a little better. It seems this type of action is what the Bishop in our diocese had done with one politician who resides here.
 
Bishop Paprocki of the Diocese of Springfield in Illinois, regarding Richard Durbin. This isn’t new, and as I understand, he was asked/prohibited from receiving the Eucharist at the parish level prior to this.
 
On this day, when we celebrate the Conversion of St. Paul, let us pray for the intercession of St. Paul for our Bishops. And let us pray for the souls of the 61+ million children who have been murdered since Row vs. Wade.

http://www.numberofabortions.com/
 
He’s actually not even “remarried” – he has a longtime girlfriend.
 
Victoria33 said:
I really have to wonder about shifting a thread topic from abortion to capital punishment, honestly. Is there some motive to do that? Does it make some uncomfortable? This really seems to be a deliberate attempt to change the subject matter.
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Well it is the usual equivocation. “Oh we can’t do anything about abortion until we eliminate poverty and hunger. We have to address all these other issues to be prolife before we can address abortion”. Nothing more than an excuse to get along with legalized infanticide.
 
It is infanticide. Legal mass infanticide. In aggregate it will be the most wicked act in human history, other than the betrayal, torture and execution of Jesus Christ. Immense shame on anyone who tries to favorably compare it, to trivialize or minimize it, to explain it away.

Speaking of Christ, I hope He returns very soon and directs the reaping of the Earth. It is past time.
 
That right there demonstrates his priorities, and where Jesus Christ stands in Cuomo’s priorities.
 
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