What’s the use? How about demonstrating that God will not be mocked.Cardinal Timothy Dolan, the Archbishop of New York, told “Fox & Friends” Monday morning it would just be “ammunition” for pro-abortion opponents who would dismiss the issue as a Catholic one and not a human rights issue. He said he gets “wheelbarrows” full of letters a day asking about it.
“He’s not going to be moved by this, so what’s the use?” Dolan remarked.
There would be use in demonstrating to his own flock that, whatever the governor feels about it, the church takes her teachings seriously.What’s the use? How about demonstrating that God will not be mocked.
Gutless!
Where did you read this? I am a little doubtful. He still identifies as Catholic I believe.as i read, the cardinal will not ex-communicate cuomo because cuomo will use it ad a badge of honor and further denigrate the church
Here is a similar article, I don’t remember the original one.Where did you read this? I am a little doubtful. He still identifies as Catholic I believe.
Yes, this is exactly what I’m talking about.Bishops wring their hands at the whirlwind of hell.
The bishops further lament that the new law will expand abortion. They express concern that “New York law is moving in the wrong direction” and state further: “Our Governor and legislative leaders hail this new abortion law as progress. This is not progress.” The bishops pledged to continue to provide help for pregnant women in need.
(Bolding added)As a condemnation of the most permissive facilitation of abortion in America, it can only be described as pathetic . All they have said is how “sad” they are and how they “mourn” when what they need to express is absolute outrage which needs to be specifically directed at Cuomo and his co-conspirators. Instead of fury we have episcopal hand-wringing and barely anything more. The legally sanctioned slaughter of a completely helpless group of innocents is merely described by the bishops as “moving the state in the wrong direction.” Such understated rhetoric simply does not match the urgency and tragedy of the impending slaughter. And absolutely missing are any consequences for those Catholic lawmakers who lobbied and voted for this law, and even celebrated its passage as when Cuomo directed state public monuments be illuminated in pink lights to, in his words, “celebrate this achievement and shine a bright light forward for the rest of the nation to follow.”
Agreed.All they have said is how “sad” they are and how they “mourn” when what they need to express is absolute outrage
That’s it exactly.What’s the use? How about demonstrating that God will not be mocked.
Gutless!
Here is an article by another canon lawyer arguing that excommunication would be appropriate.Some people have proposed this, but I read on Edward Peters’ blog that provision of Canon Law wouldn’t apply in this case for whatever reason; he was still in favor of some kind of sanction or punishment based on other provisions of Canon Law.
Determining the appropriateness of excommunication is above my pay grade, but if allowed under canon law then it ought to be used, and it ought to be vitandi.I think at this point there would still be value in excommunicating Cuomo not because there would be any realistic chance of changing his mind, but because it is necessary to set an example for others. You can go after the stray sheep, but if he doesn’t want to come back, you’ll eventually have to let him find his own way and go back to look after the others.
“These VA & NY late-term abortion bills should be a call to action for all Americans,” Vice President Pence tweeted Thursday. “It would be unconscionable for us to let this moment pass in silence. We must recommit ourselves to restoring the sanctity of life to the center of American law.”
Spokane, Wash., Feb 2, 2019 / 11:24 am (CNA).- The Bishop of Spokane said Friday that that politicians who publicly support abortion should not receive the Eucharist in his diocese.
“Politicians who reside in the Catholic Diocese of Spokane, and who obstinately persevere in their public support for abortion, should not receive Communion without first being reconciled to Christ and the Church,” Bishop Thomas Daly wrote in a Feb. 1 letter to his diocese.
Bolding mine.Amid Catholic leaders’ calls for excommunication, New York Gov. Andrew Cuomo has dug in his heels and defended a controversial state law that loosens the rules on abortion.
The law allows abortions to be performed by non-doctors up until the point of birth for many reasons. Cuomo, who touts his Catholic faith and who once was an altar boy, brushed off criticism of the law on Tuesday.
“The Catholic Church doesn’t believe in a woman’s right to choose. Yes, I understand their religious view,” he said. “But I’m not here to legislate religion.”
Cuomo pointed out that his father, Mario Cuomo, the late former three-term governor, received similar criticism for his support of abortion in New York.
“Bishops attacking Governor Cuomo,” he said with laughter. “Let’s pull that headline up from about 30 years ago.”
Bolding mine.Father Jonathan Morris told “America’s Newsroom” Tuesday Cuomo is trying to use the “disgusting” abuse of minors by the Catholic church as a way to say he is “morally correct” after passing the “Reproductive Health Act.”
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Morris said excommunication is still an option but doesn’t seem like it would be helpful or effective.
“For some reason he still calls himself a Catholic," Morris said, "I would just say come back or just say you’re not a Catholic.”
That’s all well and good but that, in itself, would not absolve the competent, ecclesiastical authority from making appropriate decisions regarding the Church’s penal law. It’s like the distinction between canons 915 and 916.“For some reason he still calls himself a Catholic," Morris said, "I would just say come back or just say you’re not a Catholic .”