PETA Supports Pope Benedict XVI

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Veal : A Cruel Meal

Here is a link, for anyone truly interested in this issue. The Veal industry is mostly grossly inhumane to these calves, which are male dairy calves, BTW.

Here is a photo of the conditions in which they are raised. The small quarters is to keep them from exersising, which makes the meat tender.

 
Dear Scott,
I understand the downfall of PETA. There is imbalance within the organization because of the passion of some of it’s members who probably have some emotional issues from their childhoods. But, nevertheless, 1) the sophomoric atitude some of my fellow Christians here is disrespectful and arrogent and 2) PETA has many valid points about factory farming and treatment of laboratory animals.
 
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WhiteDove:
Dear Scott,
I understand the downfall of PETA. There is imbalance within the organization because of the passion of some of it’s members who probably have some emotional issues from their childhoods. But, nevertheless, 1) the sophomoric atitude some of my fellow Christians here is disrespectful and arrogent and 2) PETA has many valid points about factory farming and treatment of laboratory animals.
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Start a splinter group called Christians for Ethical Animal Stewardship.
 
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Scott_Lafrance:
Start a splinter group called Christians for Ethical Animal Stewardship.
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Great idea! Let’s kick it off with a barbeque. (No veal)
 
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pnewton:
Great idea! Let’s kick it off with a barbeque. (No veal)
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Typical comment made by someone from Texas… how predictable and unsophisticated y’all are. :rolleyes:

Really, you guys need to seriously grow up. :rolleyes:
 
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WhiteDove:
Typical comment made by someone from Texas… how predictable and unsophisticated y’all are. :rolleyes:

Really, you guys need to seriously grow up. :rolleyes:
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Why? I tried that whole mature, serious thing for 15 years. All I got was a divorce and an ulcer. Grow up doesn’t work for me. Good luck with it though. 👍
 
I have to agree with white dove on this. I think that some peta people take it too far but I’m sure not all of them do. Not all peta members are vegetarians, either. Some choose to only buy meat from farms that are cruelty-free. They’re not all crazy paint throwing vegans, you know. I think the media has a lot to blame for that view…look how often pro-lifers are categorized as clinic-bombing religious wackos. So, I support PETA in their efforts with Pope Benedict, as I’ve supported them before…and, they are being respectful. I thought the whole tone of their letter was quite nice. 🙂
 
Thank you Celia for you balanced response. I myself am not a vegetarian, but I do try to buy free range chicken when possible. This year I bought a side of beef from a local dentist who raises a few steer on the side.

Some other good things about lowering our consumption of meat, btw, are health benefits and impact on the planet. Grain fed beef uses far more acreage to produce than other protein foods. The book Diet For a Small Planet went into the statistics on this extensively. So, we are doing the earth and it’s hungry people a favor by not overly relying on animal foods.
 
It’s too bad that the extremists within PETA detract from the more worthwhile points they make.

The extreme factions go way beyond just not eating meat or wearing fur or leather. The are opposed to any kind of use of animals, including using honey, milk, or silk, or keeping pets.

By the way, vegetables are very tasty cooked on the grill. 🙂
 
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Scott_Lafrance:
Unfortunately, the downfall of PETA is that they place a higher premium on the lives of animals than they do human life. THAT is a mortal sin.
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Some men, instead of learning how to keep house and look after themselves, have recourse to domestic servants, and get themselves cooks and housemaids.

Others, womanizer, spend whole days with their lady loves, telling lewd stories and corrupting them with their remarks and their deceitful actions.

Others still, become slaves to lust through the influence of high-ranking prostitutes and behave like pigs in the trough.

Some of our women are happy to spend their live in the company of effeminate men.

Other women, more sophisticated, amuse themselves bringing up as pets such creatures as birds or peacocks. They play with them and find their pleasure in them.

But they neglect the widow, who is obviously worth much more than a thoroughbred lapdog and they despise the elderly who in my opinion are more deserving of love than an animal is. They do not entertain orphans, but they do bring up parrots. Or they completely abandon their offspring out of doors while they coddle their pet birds in the house.

And they do not give any food to the hungry even though they are more beautiful than a monkey and know to say something more interesting than the song of the nightingale.

By Clemet of Alexandria died in 215

It seems that an imbalance of priorities is nothing new.
 
Never forget the PETA was founded by Cain.

Besides don’t complain about veal until you try it, mmmmm, milky.
 
Why does the human body not have in itself the means to cope with its own needs?

Human beings come into the world defenseless, in poverty, lacking everything, incapable of satisfying the elementary demands of life. You could say they deserve pity more than envy.

On the other hand, logically speaking, since we are dealing with beings destined to dominate all other living creatures, nature ought to supply them with appropriate means to be independent of outside help.

In my opinion, precisely that which seems to be a deficiency in our nature is a spur to us to dominate the lower creatures. Let us imagine human beings who could outstrip a horse, whose feet hardly touch the ground and so on. They would not try completely to dominate the other creatures, because they would have no need of any help. On the contrary, for the reason I have indicated, the animals have received some good properties which are essential to us. That is why as a result it appears imperative for us to dominate them.

Because their bodies are slow, human beings have tamed the horse.

Because their bodies are bare, they keep sheep whose wool they take every year.

Because they have to obtain the means for their own survival from a long distance away, they have compelled beasts of burden to serve their needs.

Because they cannot, like the animals, feed on grass, they have domesticated the ox to make their life easier.

By Gregory of Nyssa (died in 394)

Human values are skewed when religious convictions and morals degenerate.
When humans act like animals they associate themselves as equal to animal. There is such a thing as immoral treatment of animals. This wouldn’t happen if some humans acted more like …well humans and not animals.
 
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romano:
Hi All:

Here’s a prayer some of the folks on this thread might ponder, and learn. It might help them when they come to be judged:

BLESSED SAINT FRANCIS, I pray that you inspire man with love and compassion for the animal creation, for animals are God’s creatures that by their mere existence serve to bless and glorify Him, and men owe them kindness.

:amen:
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Hello Romano,

I understand folks who want to show compassion to animals and treat them kindly. I do think the industrialization of farming methods in alot of circumstances are bad. We could use some reforming there, sure.

But…

The ultimate goal of PETA is not to stop there, and goes way to far. Their idea of showing animals kindness seems to equate putting animals on the same level of dignity and worth as human beings. (Hence the militant vegetarianism of so many of these folks and their objection to any and all animal testing for medical purposes). This just isn’t logical for one thing, and more importantly it is in no way consistant with the faith delivered to us by Christ.

The blasphemous statement from the letter originally cited proves my point:

"In recent years, our membership has swelled with those who believe that animals, like people, have a sacred right to life and need to be protected from violence."

Since it is impossible to raise animals to the true level of human beings (made in the image and likeness of God), the result is actually distorting the view of human beings by putting them on the level of animals. However it is dressed up in compassion, this is still a message from the Enemy…and he’s been a liar and a deceiver from the beginning.

And I do take this a little personally. I have a brother who has shipwrecked his faith and the faith of many others based almost entirely on this twisted and distorted notion of how we should treat animals. He has left Christianity entirely and embraced a strange blend of Wicca, Buddism, and various pagan gods. And strangely enough for this conversation, he uses St. Francis as one of his “justifications” for rejecting Christianity. A strange argument, since I have found NO evidence that St. Francis was a vegetarian or require vegeterianism as a rule for the order he founded.

Be very careful.

-Peace in Christ-

DustinsDad
 
FiremanFrank said:
I care geez’o, so why don’t you?

And Laff, I’m interested in reading on what our current Pope had to say (when he was still a Cardinal) about the proper treatment of animals. So why aren’t you?

Are you opposed to the words/teachings of St. Francis, geez’o and Laff?

There, maybe you learned something today …
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I didn’t make the initila comment, but I can tell you why I could care less what PETA says. Most people here agree that animal rights (whatever that means) often goes too far. Here is a quote from their website “It means recognizing that animals are not ours to use—for food, clothing, entertainment, or experimentation.”
peta.org/about/faq.asp

This is a direct contradiction to paragraph 2417 of the CCC. In the past, PETA has done little to establish it’s credibility as a balanced organization out to end animal cruelty. They are out to end **all **animal use.

This is the difference between PETA doctrine and Catholic doctrine. Do they two agree sometimes? Of course they do when addressing areas of needless suffering. But then even a broken clock is right twice a day.

As far as the words of St. Francis, do we not know that the language of love is often exagerrative? We get this all the time from Protestants for the way some of the great Marian writers (like Bernard) have written about Mary. To take such statements like" Not to hurt our humble brethren is our first duty to them, " out of the context of this type of language is to make St. Francis and heretic. For them to be true brother they would have to have a soul, be baptized and admitted into the Church. Perhaps this might be an improvement in your parish.

I prefer to stick with 2415-2418 of the catechism, avoid veal and try to grow up. I’ll let you know how that goes, Scott.
 
genesis 1:28

we are responsible for the care of our animals. they are good to eat. but we are stewards. abuse and overcrowding of animals is wrong. don’t kill what you won’t eat, etc. i learned that lesson about 50 years ago. (that includes people!!)

the overcrowding of chickens is precisely responsible for all the salmonella and diseases. at one time i had my own chickens. they are very smart by the way. good eggs and good chicken.

veal parmesan is delicious!!!
i have digressed.
 
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jjwilkman:
veal parmesan is delicious!!!
i have digressed.
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But, one can substitute pork or turkey or chicken cutlets for the veal if one objects to the way veal is raised. IMO, veal is too mild to stand up to the sauce and the cheese. All one gets is the flavor of those two when one uses veal.

To taste veal (humanely raised, of course), one should use it in schnitzel or, if Italian food is your thing, in veal milanese.

I have digressed.
 
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Richardols:
To taste veal (humanely raised, of course), one should use it in schnitzel or, if Italian food is your thing, in veal milanese.

I have digressed.
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from PETA to favorite veal dishes.

I do not eat veal because of the price. I have only tried it a handful of times and it simply is not distinctive enough to be worth the extra bucks. If I want mild, chicken is a better choice (especially in chicken parmesan). In most dishes, I prefer beef. If I was aware of how it was raised, I would have taken that into consideration also.

No, to needless cruelty.

No, to PETA.
 
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pnewton:
I do not eat veal because of the price.
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Nothing like paying $10-12 a pound for veal scallopine to make you appreciate chicken.

And thinking of how that calf was raised, while you’re eating.
 
Not much of a PETA fan. Glad they agree with the Holy Father.
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CarolAnnSFO:
It’s too bad that the extremists within PETA detract from the more worthwhile points they make.
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Just an observation, that can be said of some in the pro-life movement as well, so maybe I’m inclined to cut the mainstream PETA folk some slack.

John
 
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