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StAnastasia
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Is OK for priest allow girls serve at altar. Nun not decorate altar our parish; that done by lay women and men. Is not needed for training for them to know life’s of Nuns.
Phoenix Arizona Diocese Cathedral Won't Allow Girls Serve On Altar
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rlg94086
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What good would a list of heresy spouting, feminist theologians do me?
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Corki
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What good would a list of heresy spouting feminist theologians do for anyone?
Except maybe as a guide to avoid certain institutions.
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StAnastasia
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Those are my colleagues you’re talking about.
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Tigg
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No, some of us read the book and are well aware of the evils promoted by radical feminist spirituality, “Women Church” and it’s spin-off into liberation theology. And sadly, we know about the activities of the LCWR and how more traditional and faithful orders of women religious broke away from them to form their own group after the LCWR became an arm for the Democrat party in promoting and networking with pro-abortion secular organizations. And yes, it’s true, this network did all it could in advancing a more visible female presence on the altar including altar girls.
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louis91766
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" I will have to assume you are just guessing or making things up"
You said that I was guessing or making things up. I can give you a list of Catholic feminist theologians teaching at Catholic schools to show that what you have said is not true.
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rlg94086
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You are the one who brought up feminist theologians, so I figured you would know. I will have to assume you are just guessing or making things up.
Look…first you seemed to know what feminist theologians believe, then you can’t answer my question and say “You will have to ask the Catholic feminist theologians about this.” In the next sentence, you go on to say they will “probably…” Either you know, or you are guessing/making it up.
So, feel free to answer what the feminist theologians believe about whether or not Jesus was sexist when He only chose men as Apostles. The Magisterium and the Pope have consistently held that this is the reason that the Church can’t change ordination to include women. The Orthodox Church, though in schism, have also consistently held this teaching.
I’m not personally interested in reading the works of heresy-spouting, feminist theologians.
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louis91766
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Well, then don’t say that I am making up what Catholic feminist theologians are saying.
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rlg94086
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Really, the question of women in the priesthood is immaterial to the question I asked Karenfern. She claimed that the Church today was somehow less friendly to women than the early Church. The early Church didn’t ordain women either.
Today, women can serve as Lectors, Cantors, Sacristans, Ushers, Catechists, EMoHCs…and, yes, even Altar Servers, if the priest or bishop allows it as an exception to the norm.
That being said, I think the feminist theologians would be hard pressed to make a case that today’s Church somehow considered women as nonequal compared to the glory days of the early Church.
Today, women can serve as Lectors, Cantors, Sacristans, Ushers, Catechists, EMoHCs…and, yes, even Altar Servers, if the priest or bishop allows it as an exception to the norm.
That being said, I think the feminist theologians would be hard pressed to make a case that today’s Church somehow considered women as nonequal compared to the glory days of the early Church.
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rlg94086
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So, you are ready to answer the question? If not, I will stick to my assumption.
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louis91766
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This is going nowhere, since your assumption is wrong.
BTW, one interpretation of Romans 16, 1… is that women were serving as deacons in the early church.
However, now women are not allowed to serve as deaconesses. So a Catholic feminist theologian might argue that women today are not equal to what they were in the early Church.
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rlg94086
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Wow. That is huge!
The Church doesn’t see a need for deaconesses today. It wasn’t the same role as a deacon, so it isn’t a matter of women being excluded from a role that men are allowed to do. The deaconesses were primarily there for baptism of women for reasons of modesty (full immersion baptism of women in white garments can be, well, a little revealing) and, apparently, making sure the widows and orphans get their fair share of collections.
If the greater role of women in the Church today isn’t sufficient for some people, I don’t know what to say. When will it be enough? A female Pope?
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louis91766
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However, were there deaconesses in the early Church?
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louis91766
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Does that mean that you are a Catholic feminist theologian? If so, can you tell Rig that what I said about their belief that women have a second rate position in the RCC is accurate?
To make it clear: I am only saying that this is the position of Catholic feminist theologians.
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rlg94086
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Apparently so. There were also Permanent Deacons in the Church. That position was only recently reestablished. There also were married men allowed in the priesthood in the Latin Church, but that discipline has not been changed (except for married ministers/priests who convert).
Could the Church reestablish deaconesses? Sure. Why should She? Just to make women feel better? What would we have them do? Distribute collections to widows and orphans? Baptize?
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louis91766
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This is one reason why Catholic feminist theologians may say that women have a downgraded position in the RCC today.
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rlg94086
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*What *is one reason? There haven’t been deaconesses for many, many years. What has changed to “downgrade” their position? If anything, opportunities for women have opened up tremendously in the RCC today.
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manofart
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Hmmm? I wonder what the Holy Father’s thinking is on the subject of female ( girl) altar servers? Should a directive ever come from the Vatican to disallow girl altar servers then will there be further rebellion from the ranks of the faithful? We live in very stressful times in Church history of growing religious persecution and rebellion from within. I should think protecting Doctrine trumps questionable changes in Tradition. Prayer and Peace+
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louis91766
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Women were deaconesses in the early Church.*What *is one reason? There haven’t been deaconesses for many, many years. What has changed to “downgrade” their position? If anything, opportunities for women have opened up tremendously in the RCC today.
Women are not deaconesses in the Church of today.
I know that you and many others say that opportunities for women in the RCC today have opened up.
My comment is that this is not satisfactory for many Catholic feminist theologians who are asking not only for ordination of women as deaconesses, but they are asking for ordination to the priesthood.
I don;t know why Catholic schools employ these feminist theologians, but that is the situation.
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rlg94086
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I and others “say” that opportunities have opened up. So, you and others disagree? Women were much more involved prior to Vatican II?
Indeed, which is why their opinions are pretty uninteresting. People who have an agenda to overturn de fide teaching in the Church are an anathema.
I have no idea either. That’s why many Catholics are careful before sending their kids to any Catholic school. It’s important to find out whether a school’s teaching is in line with the Church before you send your kids there.
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