Police: Approximately 20 dead inside Florida nightclub after mass shooting

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7_Sorrows said:
how many mass shootings have happened during the Obama administration? I think that is the answer you are missing.
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So, Obama causes mass shootings? How does he do that? Is that the same way that he causes the Republicans to nominate Trump?
 
Convert_in_99 said:
Cowardice is a form of fear. Fear is one of the driving forces of mental illness. Please don’t group those into the same category as those who do these hateful crimes out of sheer malice.

From what I’ve read about this individual, there didn’t appear to be mental illness involved. But it is often a factor that reduces culpability. It truly is. If my severely autistic nephew went out and shot 50 people (God forbid) it would be purely innocent, rather than a hate crime that is planned an sought after.
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I tend to agree. We like to think that " no regular person" could do such a thing. We as a society have convinced ourselves that evil is always explAinable. Well the fact is that some people in this world are just evil. As sure as there is a heaven and angels there is hell and demons. They is why all this nonsense about gun control is so silly.

Sometimes evil people do evil things. It’s time we stop putting all the blame on mental illness and start putting the blame on the evildoers and ourselves for not preventing evil doers.

I’ll ask again, in the many years this man was in the USA, how many people tried to evangelize him, preach the gospel to him? Let alone Catholics, who hide behind the misattributed words of st Francis to not use words? Francis used words to Islamic leaders!

How many Catholics did he talk to. How many times have any of us seen a Muslim and engaged in any sort of apologetics? And I’m not talking about an ecumenical attitude where we praise Muhammad and ignore Jesus for the sake of tolerance. There are refugees, and immigrants coming to our country with no one ministering to them. Same in our jails, many converts to Islam begin thier journey in prison. We have prison ministry too, where are our converts?
Same could be said for the victims who may not fully understand the gospel and how the church can help save them for Christ?

We lament the victims, we clamor for no guns or weapons in the world, we ignore the threats of false religions and then we wonder why we see mourning family members on tv.
 
Hoosier_Daddy said:
I tend to agree. We like to think that " no regular person" could do such a thing. We as a society have convinced ourselves that evil is always explAinable. Well the fact is that some people in this world are just evil. As sure as there is a heaven and angels there is hell and demons. They is why all this nonsense about gun control is so silly.

Sometimes evil people do evil things. It’s time we stop putting all the blame on mental illness and start putting the blame on the evildoers and ourselves for not preventing evil doers.

I’ll ask again, in the many years this man was in the USA, how many people tried to evangelize him, preach the gospel to him? Let alone Catholics, who hide behind the misattributed words of st Francis to not use words? Francis used words to Islamic leaders!

How many Catholics did he talk to. How many times have any of us seen a Muslim and engaged in any sort of apologetics? And I’m not talking about an ecumenical attitude where we praise Muhammad and ignore Jesus for the sake of tolerance. There are refugees, and immigrants coming to our country with no one ministering to them. Same in our jails, many converts to Islam begin thier journey in prison. We have prison ministry too, where are our converts?
Same could be said for the victims who may not fully understand the gospel and how the church can help save them for Christ?

We lament the victims, we clamor for no guns or weapons in the world, we ignore the threats of false religions and then we wonder why we see mourning family members on tv.
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My post agreed with you that some people do these things from purely malicious motives.

But not everyone.

They need to be placed in separate categories for a reason.

I think you’d agree with that much. 🙂
 
Does anyone else not understand why our own Christian church leaders have been censored and bullied into not saying something that could be seen as a political position and threatened to lose tax exempt status but some mosques can preach what they do and no one bats an eye? Did anyone catch the father’s video? Imagine if that was anyone other than a Muslim? They would be under immediate arrest for a hate crime.
 
Convert_in_99 said:
My post agreed with you that some people do these things from purely malicious motives.

But not everyone.

They need to be placed in separate categories for a reason.

I think you’d agree with that much. 🙂
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Of Course! There is a difference between the man who shot Ronald Reagan and this guy.
 
Donald Trump today:
The killer whose name I will not use or ever say was born an Afghan of Afghan parents
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I thought he was a US-born citizen, born in New York…:confused:
 
Hoosier_Daddy said:
Does anyone else not understand why our own Christian church leaders have been censored and bullied into not saying something that could be seen as a political position and threatened to lose tax exempt status but some mosques can preach what they do and no one bats an eye? Did anyone catch the father’s video? Imagine if that was anyone other than a Muslim? They would be under immediate arrest for a hate crime.
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I believe that the Vatican had similar status during WWII. They did much good in secret, but publicly felt they had to maintain a position of neutrality. So much so that, as a result, it is still falsely believed by many that the Vatican did not do anything to help the Jews during WWII.
 
Thorolfr said:
Donald Trump today:

I thought he was a US-born citizen, born in New York…:confused:
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You have to give The Donald some slack, Thorolfr. Remember he’s new at this being a politician thing. Though on second thought maybe he has learned it sounds better to his audience and fires them up if he says was born an Afghan.
 
Thorolfr said:
No one knows for sure what the motive for his crime was since we can’t ask him. All we’ve got is speculation.

I also don’t buy the distinction that some people are making between an ideology of “radical Islam” for this crime as opposed to just plain old hatred for gay people, a hatred and a prejudice that is not specifically Islamic and is shared by a lot of people of many other faiths and even of no faith at all.
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Honestly, how hard is it to understand that radical Islam hates gays (and Christians …etc.) to the point that gays are being killed with regularity (state sanctioned) as we speak in many Middle Eastern countries, can you say the same for Christian majority nations?

No, you can’t.
 
Sy_Noe said:
You have to give The Donald some slack, Thorolfr. Remember he’s new at this being a politician thing. Though on second thought maybe he has learned it sounds better to his audience and fires them up if he says was born an Afghan.
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At least he hasn’t declared there are 57 States
 
josie_L said:
Honestly, how hard is it to understand that radical Islam hates gays (and Christians …etc.) to the point that gays are being killed with regularity (state sanctioned) as we speak in many Middle Eastern countries, can you say the same for Christian majority nations?

No, you can’t.
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Actually, homosexuals were burned at the stake in Christian Europe at one time…
 
Thorolfr said:
Actually, homosexuals were burned at the stake in Christian Europe at one time…
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And heretics, witches. . . etc. Moreover, homosexuals were burned at the stake (and only if they were of a certain age) by the State, i.e., the Spanish Inquisition was in fact an institution at the service of the State, not the Church.

p.s. You might want to Read Henry Kamen’s (a Jewish Historian) "The Spanish Inquisition, it’s an elucidating read.
 
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