Police: Approximately 20 dead inside Florida nightclub after mass shooting

[Arizona_Mike]

I agree with a) and c) because I think we need to determine what went wrong, but b) wouldn’t have helped at all. He was a US born citizen.

Not in this case, but in the ones that will surely come. We can’t make the mistake of fighting the last war.

 

[Theo520]

Miroslav Filipovic.

Source please, that The Devil of Jasenovac claimed Catholic teaching was his inspiration.

I’m not disputing he was a Friar BTW.

 

[Crossbones]

Not in this case, but in the ones that will surely come. We can’t make the mistake of fighting the last war.

So, we should stop Muslims from coming in the country because one might be a terrorist, but we shouldn’t look at restricting gun ownership because many have used it as a weapon of mass murder?

 

[GaryTaylor]

So, we should stop Muslims from coming in the country because one might be a terrorist, but we shouldn’t look at restricting gun ownership because many have used it as a weapon of mass murder?

Its not a matter of stopping anyone and no american ever suggested such a thing. Its a matter of careful vetting american migrants, a failure with Obama, . Further whats the rush in such a situation?

 

[mikekle]

The sacred 2nd amendment just looks crazily Wild West to non-Americans.

Thats because the US was founded due to a revolution by patriots, willing to fight and die, against a tyrannical Govt…the founding fathers did not want a tyrannical Govt to ever take control of the US again, this is why certain amendments must be held in this country, the founders saw this as the best way to ensure Tyranny does not reign.

But when the tyrannical Govt can ‘sway’ the minds of its people…well thats a entirely different ballgame, something the founding fathers could not have foreseen and protected against. What is happening today is very complex and methodical.

 

[Crossbones]

Its not a matter of stopping anyone and no american ever suggested such a thing. Its a matter of careful vetting american migrants, a failure with Obama, . Further whats the rush in such a situation?

Of course, the person that just shot and murdered fifty people was a US born American citizen, so none of that would matter in this case.

 

[Seamus_L]

The 2nd Amendment look’s Wild West to non-Americans ? Do you mean as in West Side of Chicago or West Side of Detroit ?

 

[GaryTaylor]

restricting gun ownership because many have used it as a weapon of mass murder?

Missed the point again but thats predictable. There is nothing commendable about Obamas fear re-action with gun control. The right course of action is not historically the politically expedient one. One must be prudent in what is politically expedited into law as a cry of fear and public safety or “wolf” rarely has been correct historically. Need examples? .

 

[Crossbones]

Missed the point again but thats predictable. There is nothing commendable about Obamas fear re-action with gun control. The right course of action is not historically the politically expedient one. One must be prudent in what is politically expedited into law as a cry of fear and public safety or “wolf” rarely has been correct historically. Need examples? .

It seemed like there were a lot fewer of these mass murders when the assault gun ban was in place. Even if you don’t think assault guns should be banned, does anyone really think this guy should have been able to own one given that he was a wife beater, described as ‘unhinged and unstable’ by a police officer and investigated for ISIS related activities?

 

[GaryTaylor]

Of course, the person that just shot and murdered fifty people was a US born American citizen, so none of that would matter in this case.

Sorry thats a racist comment, Islamic Isis radical jihadists can be from anywhere. And yes it does matter with vetting, How is it you conclude “none of it would matter” because he is american born? Odd logic please explain.

 

[Crossbones]

Sorry thats a racist comment, Islamic Isis radical jihadists can be from anywhere. And yes it does matter with vetting, How is it you conclude “none of it would matter” because he is american born? Odd logic please explain.

Because I was talking about the comment made by the poster saying that the US should restrict Muslims from entering the country. Since Mateen was a) already in the country and b) a US born American citizen, then restricting access to Muslims wouldn’t have mattered in that case.

Context matters.

 

[GaryTaylor]

It seemed like

does anyone really think this guy should have been able to own one given that he was a wife beater, described as ‘unhinged and unstable’ by a police officer and investigated for ISIS related activities?

It seemed like, “to you” to qualify.but really? So you would deny his muslim assimilated american father the right to bear arms? Maybe the musiim and assimilation should require better vetting? Well you think about that.

 

[GaryTaylor]

Since Mateen was a) already in the country

then restricting access to Muslims wouldn’t have mattered in that case.

And my point is the two are not mutually exclusive to anything. So explain how is that relevant to anything including guns. radical islamists, or vetting migrants?

Yes context dies matter. So do tell.

 

[Crossbones]

And my point is the two are not mutually exclusive too anything. So explain grasshopper how is thats relevant to anything including guns. radical islamists, or vetting migrants?

Yes context dies matter. So do tell.

I made the point that the restrictions suggested by the poster would not work in this particular case because the shooter was a US born American citizen. You made some comments about it. I explained the context of the comment.

Now, I honestly can’t understand the point you are trying to make. I know this upsets you and I’m sorry, but I really can’t figure it out. Would you like to rewrite your post so I can understand it or call it a day?

 

[Crossbones]

It seemed like, “to you” to qualify.but really? So you would deny his muslim assimilated american father the right to bear arms? Maybe the musiim and assimilation should require better vetting? Well you think about that.

I’m ok with a ban on assault rifles, but I know many aren’t. I am also ok with those on terrorist watch lists not having the right to bear arms and I’m also ok with those that beat their wife not having the right to bear arms.

 

[GaryTaylor]

I made the point that the restrictions suggested by the poster would not work in this particular case because the shooter was a US born American citizen. You made some comments about it.

Thanks for sharing the obvious with us about nothing relevant. Your logic is earth quaking.

I explained the context of the comment.

Where, point me to it because I don;t see it, quote yourself to end the mystery.

Now, I honestly can’t understand the point you are trying to make. I know this upsets you and I’m sorry, but I really can’t figure it out. Would you like to rewrite your post so I can understand it or call it a day?

Well before you ascend to what you think upsets me you should concentrate on what you you “think” the point is I am trying to make is? Do tell? What point am I making?

 

[GaryTaylor]

I’m ok with a ban on assault rifles, but I know many aren’t. I am also ok with those on terrorist watch lists not having the right to bear arms and I’m also ok with those that beat their wife not having the right to bear arms.

Whats an assault rifle? I have the feeling you know?

 

[Crossbones]

Thanks for sharing the obvious with us about nothing relevant. Your logic is earth quaking.

Yes, that is where I provided the context of the quote you cited when you began asking me questions.

Where, point me to it because I don;t see it, quote yourself to end the mystery.

In the text box where you quoted me. That was the context of the quote.

Well before you ascend to what you think upsets me you should concentrate on what you you “think” the point is I am trying to make is? Do tell? What point am I making?

I honestly can’t tell. You’re really not making any sense to me, but I don’t want you to be upset by me saying it doesn’t make any sense. So, can you please re-write it in a way that makes sense to me. Perhaps you can read it out loud to yourself to make sure it makes sense before you post it.

 

[Crossbones]

Whats an assault rifle? I have the feeling you know?

I would go with the definition in the 1994 Public Safety and Recreational Firearms Use Protection Act as a starting point.

 

[GaryTaylor]

Yes, that is where I provided the context of the quote you cited when you began asking me questions.

In the text box where you quoted me. That was the context of the quote.

I honestly can’t tell. You’re really not making any sense to me, but I don’t want you to be upset by me saying it doesn’t make any sense. So, can you please re-write it in a way that makes sense to me. Perhaps you can read it out loud to yourself to make sure it makes sense before you post it.

Rewrite something in a way that makes sense to you? Uh Ok good place to end for the night at absurd. What I am saying is YOUR making no sense!!!

I provided the context of the quote you cited

No one is concerned with that, the point…

I explained the context of the comment.

Where is the simple question, what post?