Police: Approximately 20 dead inside Florida nightclub after mass shooting

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Mateen entered the club at approximately 2:00 am. It was a humid night and temperatures that day had been in the 90’s . At 2:00 am, the temp would have been in the mid 70’s. The patrons would have been dressed for the weather (lightly clad) as would have been (I assume) Mateen. If so, how did he enter the club with an AR15 rifle, a Glock 9mm handgun, and numerous magazines for re-load unseen? What was his point of entry? I read somewhere early on that there may have been an altercation at the main entrance to the club between Mateen and the club’s security/doorman, but the press doesn’t seem to be talking about this anymore. Who was the doorman? Does he have a name? Why no interviews? The Press found his father and his EX-wife within hours of the tragedy and conducted interviews but they couldn’t find the doorman? Was the main entrance even Mateen’s point of entry – or did he come in unseen from somewhere else? Also, the place was packed. Parking would have been problematic. Where did they find his car? I read that he had another weapon in the trunk of the car – did he think he could access it at some point? Would he need it later if he escaped? Did he plan on escaping.

As for the armament used, The AR 15 holds 30 rounds; the Glock’s magazine capacity is variable – from about 18 rounds to as much as 30 depending on the shooter’s preference (I’m pretty sure that an 18 round magazine is standard). He may have used the Glock, but all the Press ever talks about is the AR 15. (The “AR” in AR 15, by the way, stands for “ArmaLite” the original manufacturer of the weapon – not “Assault Rifle”). If the AR 15 was the weapon used in the massacre, it would mean that Mateen would have had to reload a bare minimum of four times to kill 49 and wound 52 – and that’s if every round hit its target. I suspect that he wasted shells by missing his target and so had to re-load more often. The AR 15 (as well as the Glock) are set so that you find your target, pull the trigger, and the gun shoots – target, trigger, shoot; target, trigger, shoot; target, trigger, shoot – he had to pull that trigger more than 100 times. The AR 15 he carried was not an “automatic” weapon. And, as far as the term “assault” weapon is concerned – all rifles are “assault” weapons if you use them in an assault – as are machetes, knifes, broken bottles and sticks.
 
It’s not uncommon for the most virulently anti-gay people to be struggling with unwanted feelings of same-sex attraction themselves.

This is in today’s Guardian:

theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/jun/14/omar-mateen-gay-men-terrorism-pulse-jackd-sexuality
He was questioned three times by the FBI for he ties to Islamic Terrorists , he caledl 911 , & pledged allegiance to ISIS and then went on a killing spree. Rather than acknowledge this is an act of Islamic terror armchair psychologists are trying to spin this as being an act of a self loathing homosexual. I think Occmans razor applies here.
 
He was questioned three times by the FBI for he ties to Islamic Terrorists , he caledl 911 , & pledged allegiance to ISIS and then went on a killing spree. Rather than acknowledge this is an act of Islamic terror armchair psychologists are trying to spin this as being an act of a self loathing homosexual. I think Occmans razor applies here.
It is probably more complicated than that.

Orlando gunman cheered 9/11 attacks, former classmates say

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He was questioned three times by the FBI for he ties to Islamic Terrorists , he caledl 911 , & pledged allegiance to ISIS and then went on a killing spree. Rather than acknowledge this is an act of Islamic terror armchair psychologists are trying to spin this as being an act of a self loathing homosexual. I think Occmans razor applies here.
Why does it have to be either/or when it looks like it’s both/and? Too complicated?
 
He was questioned three times by the FBI for he ties to Islamic Terrorists , he caledl 911 , & pledged allegiance to ISIS and then went on a killing spree. Rather than acknowledge this is an act of Islamic terror armchair psychologists are trying to spin this as being an act of a self loathing homosexual. I think Occmans razor applies here.
Perhaps you like simple explanations, but real life is often rather complicated. How can one explain that Mateen had reportedly visited the Pulse nightclub at least 12 times before and had used the gay dating app Jack’d? During those times he had earlier been seen at Pulse, he also reportedly was drinking, something else that is prohibited by Islam. If he was closeted and gay, enjoyed drinking and was a devout Muslim, that could certainly be a potent and explosive mix.
 
Why does it have to be either/or when it looks like it’s both/and? Too complicated?
It appears he had Disney World as an alternative target. What is the homosexual connection to that? There really is no evidence whatsoever that he targeted this bar because it was a homosexual nightspot.
 
He was questioned three times by the FBI for he ties to Islamic Terrorists , he caledl 911 , & pledged allegiance to ISIS and then went on a killing spree. Rather than acknowledge this is an act of Islamic terror armchair psychologists are trying to spin this as being an act of a self loathing homosexual. I think Occmans razor applies here.
There are other incidents in other contexts which I have pointed to in which SSA has been a significant motivating factor in perpetrating violent acts of rage.
 
Obama admitted to what facts we know as did the FBI. Mateen’s own behavior for sure is relevant but so is the interaction within this radical ideology.

How did the facts of gender issues, and obvious ideology and its take on gays and Islam affect his state of mind? I assure you no one answered that and only stated common known ideals such as below but this will go on for some time with facts, and understanding how and what happened.
“Running away and trying to get in touch are psychologically not contradictory … When you’re running, part of you is running from something that you would very much like to be in touch with but you can’t.”
“Yourself” Running from yourself is running to the pain. Where did Mateen go when he ran from himself? Toward the pain?

… but there is so much more to learn here.
 
In this case, banning Muslims from entering America would not have had an effect on this particular case since Mateen was a US born American citizen. That was the point I was making and the context under which I was making my comments.
Maybe if Ronald Reagan could have predicted that his parents would give birth to him in NY and 29 yrs later this would happen.
 
It appears he had Disney World as an alternative target. What is the homosexual connection to that? There really is no evidence whatsoever that he targeted this bar because it was a homosexual nightspot.
How many comments were made at this very site regarding gay night at Disney World? There have been several threads about it with, I’m sure, derogatory comments. To be exact i don’t bother reading that stuff anymore. No evidence the bar was targeted for it’s clientele? Here’s where critical reading skills are needed.
 
Perhaps you like simple explanations, but real life is often rather complicated. How can one explain that Mateen had reportedly visited the Pulse nightclub at least 12 times before and had used the gay dating app Jack’d? During those times he had earlier been seen at Pulse, he also reportedly was drinking, something else that is prohibited by Islam. If he was closeted and gay, enjoyed drinking and was a devout Muslim, that could certainly be a potent and explosive mix.
I know, right? Someone who enjoyed drinking and then purports to be faithful to ISIS? It’s not adding up so simply.
 
How many comments were made at this very site regarding gay night at Disney World? There have been several threads about it with, I’m sure, derogatory comments. To be exact i don’t bother reading that stuff anymore. No evidence the bar was targeted for it’s clientele? Here’s where critical reading skills are needed.
There is no evidence. Now that his ex-wife is co-operating we may find out whether this was part of his motivation or not.
 
I know, right? Someone who enjoyed drinking and then purports to be faithful to ISIS? It’s not adding up so simply.
That is not so unusual. A lot of terrorists went to bars and night clubs.
 
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