Police: Approximately 20 dead inside Florida nightclub after mass shooting

[mary_bobo]

Im sorry to say that gun laws will not accomplish that, the only people that obey new laws are law abiding citizens, criminals and terrorists generally do not care about laws, so…this is something that must be fought at the source.

Right on.

 

[Lea101]

We already have strict gun laws. Most of these guns are stolen or obtained illegally. You have cited no facts to back this up your claim which comes straight from the liberal play book.

I guess we have different definitions of strict, then.

 

[Sy_Noe]

Something has to be done in regards to guns. Theirs no need for someone to carry a big assault gun in the city. Camping different story.

People will get offended and scream oh 2nd amendment but a stop has to be put.

Well it’s high past time they stop getting offended and stop screaming. The founders could not have envisioned today’s big assault weapons. Enough of this hiding behind the 2nd amendment. Which actually includes the words, “well regulated”.

Frankly I’m getting tired of having to pray for the victims of these unnecessary acts while the “right” wing sit back and twittle their thumbs and cozy up to the NRA. Come on America, wake up on this. Hunters can still shoot their deer and other game if that’s what turns them on and those who want to own a gun can do so if they think it provides them some sense of security.

I myself am not a gun owner. But I’ve been waiting over 7 yrs for Obama to go house to house confiscating everyone else’s guns as the “right” wing gun lobby and it’s backers told us he would do. And it hasn’t happened. No doubt they will say the same thing about Hillary and again it won’t happen.

But the assault weapons you’re talking about are not needed on our streets. It’s foolish to think that a citizen belonging to a militia, holding an assault weapon, would be any match for the US military if the government ever did unleash all it’s mighty firepower upon it’s own citizenry. Which I highly doubt. But my bet would be on the US military.

So what’s next? Citizenry driving tanks and carrying nuclear bombs to protect themselves from their government?

Get real.

Alrighty rant over.

As alas, I must and am finding myself once again praying for the victims of another mass shooting in this country and doing so fervently for their loved ones.

Dear God, please hold in the palms of Thy hands yet still more dead whose lives once again have been taken by gun violence in the United States of America, grant them eternal rest and peace and comfort their loved ones left behind by holding them as well in Thy wide open arms. As I pray and weep for them. In hope of peace and love, not hate. Amen.

 

[gilliam]

Matthew Dowd, “Anyone that uses the Koran or the bible as a basis for hate against gays has a corrupted and dangerous brand of faith.”

twitter.com/matthewjdowd/status/742032874837311488

 

[Sy_Noe]

I didn’t even know this had happened until I read it here! what a terrible tragedy!
praying for the souls of the departed and praying for the injured and for all families involved.

Neither did I. I haven’t the news or television on yet today.

 

[Sy_Noe]

I guess we have different definitions of strict, then.

Amen

 

[mikekle]

Stict gun laws will decrease the amount of mass shootings. If it’s not easy to get guns=lesser people will have access to guns=less shootings.

If you look at countries with different gun laws as USA, you would find that the rates of gun violence are significantly lower. Murder will obviously not be wiped out, but it won’t be extremely common. There are waaaaaayyy too many shootings in the US in 2016. There’s obviously something wrong when people with the intention to kill can easily access guns. It’s not a matter of whether people will obey laws or not, it’s about making it difficult to get your hands on one

There are too many guns already out there in the public for any new law like this to be remotely effective. (the ones the criminals use are not usually registered) The difference in those other countries is they have had laws against these weapons for a very long time.

Same thing with street drugs, its highly illegal to possess even a small amount of heroin, but that doesnt change the fact that it can still be bought in every city in the entire country, so just because there is a law against something, does not mean it is anywhere near effective.

 

[kozlosap]

Wow bad weekend for Orlando.
It’s concerning to see even 15 years after 911 that we still cannot face the reality that there is a group of people who wish to kill.

Some comments on the media about terrorism jump the shark from charitable to down right ignorant.

There is a war on the west.

The real tragedy is that the targets in the nightclub may be engaging in soul damaging behavior. There is no repentance after death. Let’s all take this as a reminder to go to confession. We have to account for our lives at any moment.

This post doesn’t sound like most things you write, Hoosier, or maybe I’m just over analyzing everything this morning while trying to come to grips with this horrible event. Just because the patrons were in a gay bar certainly doesn’t mean that they went straight to hell, right?

 

[mikekle]

Well it’s high past time they stop getting offended and stop screaming. The founders could not have envisioned today’s big assault weapons. Enough of this hiding behind the 2nd amendment. Which actually includes the words, “well regulated”.

Frankly I’m getting tired of having to pray for the victims of these unnecessary acts while the “right” wing sit back and twittle their thumbs and cozy up to the NRA. Come on America, wake up on this. Hunters can still shoot their deer and other game if that’s what turns them on and those who want to own a gun can do so if they think it provides them some sense of security.

I myself am not a gun owner. But I’ve been waiting over 7 yrs for Obama to go house to house confiscating everyone else’s guns as the “right” wing gun lobby and it’s backers told us he would do. And it hasn’t happened. No doubt they will say the same thing about Hillary and again it won’t happen.

But the assault weapons you’re talking about are not needed on our streets. It’s foolish to think that a citizen belonging to a militia, holding an assault weapon, would be any match for the US military if the government ever did unleash all it’s mighty firepower upon it’s own citizenry. Which I highly doubt. But my bet would be on the US military.

So what’s next? Citizenry driving tanks and carrying nuclear bombs to protect themselves from their government?

Get real.

Alrighty rant over.

As alas, I must and am finding myself once again praying for the victims of another mass shooting in this country and doing so fervently for their loved ones.

Dear God, please hold in the palms of Thy hands yet still more dead whose lives once again have been taken by gun violence in the United States of America, grant them eternal rest and peace and comfort their loved ones left behind by holding them as well in Thy wide open arms. As I pray and weep for them. In hope of peace and love, not hate. Amen.

Uh, the founding fathers saw this as the best way to prevent tyranny, (that citizens should have access to same grade of weapons as govt), and now we see our Govt desiring to change this…GEE, I wonder why they would want to do something like that? LOL

But I doubt even the founding fathers could have foreseen the complexity of our modern Govt and their plan to ‘brainwash’ the population into almost inviting tyranny, and giving up their guns willingly…this is what these mass shootings are doing imo. Govt is using them to fool people into taking their side on the gun issue.

If they do this for long enough, they will never need to go door to door to confiscate guns, most people will be ‘conditioned’ enough to hand over their guns willingly!!!

Its amazing what they have accomplished if you think about it.

 

[mary_bobo]

Orlando shooter was known to FBI as suspected ISIS sympathizer though no indication plotting to carry out attack - official to CNN

twitter.com/jimsciutto/status/742023197567123457

Looks like a lot of evidence that it was a terrorist attack

Thanks for report, Gilliam. Is anyone surprised?

 

[Sy_Noe]

Uh, the founding fathers saw this as the best way to prevent tyranny, (that citizens should have access to same grade of weapons as govt), and now we see our Govt desiring to change this…GEE, I wonder why they would want to do something like that? LOL

So citizenry should have an arsenal of tanks and nukes and every other weapon the government possesses today in the 21st century?

 

[chero23]

Radical Islam thinks something ought to be done about gays. Doesn’t have anything to do with anything but radical islamic jihad.

Maybe if there was better security at the nightclub door there wouldn’t be an issue. Obama “armed” radical terrorists, so its should be no surprise radicals used the guns.

Aside from Fast and Furious and the CIA and Benghazi its clear Obama and Hillary have armed everyone and contend to disarm assimilated citizens. Clintons view on the second amendment came forward last week. Oddly Clinton last week refused to state the 2nd amendment protects the individuals right to keep and bear arms.

But as I said with apparent radical Islamic terrorism its absurd to sway a conversation as Obama usually does to guns and hate crimes against Islam. Its counterproductive and has been for 8 years.

You just blame Obama for everything. Shows your maturity. Bush, didn’t make us close friends with Islam either.

 

[mikekle]

So do you have an arsenal of tanks and nukes and every other weapon the government possesses in your possession?

No I do not, and this should be evidence enough for you to prove Im right, instead of Govt fearing the people, today, people fear the govt or fear what could be done to them if they do not obey, so yes, allowing Govt to have access to much greater firepower has allowed tyranny to get a foot hold, just as we see happening right now. Handheld weapons are the last ‘fight’, if they manage to take away our access to them, tyranny will REALLY increase.

 

[Lea101]

There are too many guns already out there in the public for any new law like this to be remotely effective. (the ones the criminals use are not usually registered) The difference in those other countries is they have had laws against these weapons for a very long time.

Same thing with street drugs, its highly illegal to possess even a small amount of heroin, but that doesnt change the fact that it can still be bought in every city in the entire country, so just because there is a law against something, does not mean it is anywhere near effective.

I agree that it’s not an immediate solution and would be effective after quite some time.

But that doesn’t mean we should just leave it. As of now, maybe background checks, renewing current license, safety training, etc would be appropriate. Basically make it harder to get your hands on one (mental health checks, etc). Security should also be stepped up. Not easy, of course, but there’s too many cases of gun violence for us to just shrug it off and act like it is beyond our control! This is a tragedy and a lot of Americans are acting like the gun laws has 0 correlation with the rate of gun violence.

Some change needs to happen before any of us lose our loved ones due to violence

 

[chero23]

Im sorry to say that gun laws will not accomplish that, the only people that obey new laws are law abiding citizens, criminals and terrorists generally do not care about laws, so…this is something that must be fought at the source.

I know there’s a thread about guns and background checks.

But this is my question to you, if someone buys a gun and gets cleared with the back ground check. That person is then deemed as a fine person to own a gun. Sorta of like this guy.

But, when a situation breaks out and they go on a rampage, that “fine” person label is taken away and they bring up things from their past. Theirs a flaw in the system and it has to be fixed.

We had 50 today, one day, that number is going to double, triple, quadruple and were going to just go in circles.

 

[Hoosier_Daddy]

This post doesn’t sound like most things you write, Hoosier, or maybe I’m just over analyzing everything this morning while trying to come to grips with this horrible event. Just because the patrons were in a gay bar certainly doesn’t mean that they went straight to hell, right?

I don’t know the destination of souls. God does. I know a couple things. Having been active in the gay club scene in my youth I know who and what goes on there. I also know how God directs us to get to heaven.

It makes the club shooting way more tragic than say someone walking into a church with 24 hour adoration and killing 50 adorers.

The reason is that we tend to focus on the secular part of life not the eternal. 50 souls who were in a den of sin. Does that mean all were sinning? No. But perhaps it should give us pause in our own lives. The party we get drunk at. The cohabitating or contracepting or adulterous couple. The anger we ace on our own hearts when driving in traffic. The fact is that we have done a poor job as a religion of evangelizing. So when this happens it should actually strike us harder than our own kind getting thier heads chopped off in the Middle East. Because salvation is a goal to strive for and rarely is it found inside a gay club.

We should be reminded of our own sinfulness because if this. Confession and conversion and evangelization. These are things we fail at as a faith.

 

[chero23]

Well it’s high past time they stop getting offended and stop screaming. The founders could not have envisioned today’s big assault weapons. Enough of this hiding behind the 2nd amendment. Which actually includes the words, “well regulated”.

Frankly I’m getting tired of having to pray for the victims of these unnecessary acts while the “right” wing sit back and twittle their thumbs and cozy up to the NRA. Come on America, wake up on this. Hunters can still shoot their deer and other game if that’s what turns them on and those who want to own a gun can do so if they think it provides them some sense of security.

I myself am not a gun owner. But I’ve been waiting over 7 yrs for Obama to go house to house confiscating everyone else’s guns as the “right” wing gun lobby and it’s backers told us he would do. And it hasn’t happened. No doubt they will say the same thing about Hillary and again it won’t happen.

But the assault weapons you’re talking about are not needed on our streets. It’s foolish to think that a citizen belonging to a militia, holding an assault weapon, would be any match for the US military if the government ever did unleash all it’s mighty firepower upon it’s own citizenry. Which I highly doubt. But my bet would be on the US military.

So what’s next? Citizenry driving tanks and carrying nuclear bombs to protect themselves from their government?

Get real.

Alrighty rant over.

As alas, I must and am finding myself once again praying for the victims of another mass shooting in this country and doing so fervently for their loved ones.

Dear God, please hold in the palms of Thy hands yet still more dead whose lives once again have been taken by gun violence in the United States of America, grant them eternal rest and peace and comfort their loved ones left behind by holding them as well in Thy wide open arms. As I pray and weep for them. In hope of peace and love, not hate. Amen.

I’m with you. It’s so sad to have to have to pray for deaths that were unnecessary.

The right wing media and the right wing, with the NRA scare people b saying, “Obama is going to repeal the 2nd Amendment, he’s going to go to everyone’s house and confiscate all of your guns”.

Please, that’s fear tactics. Obama is a smart man, he wouldn’t go house by house and confiscate them.

 

[Hoosier_Daddy]

I’d love to see the gun law that would have stopped this…

So many people want to contraband guns. Funny how they are never the people who want to secure the border or patrol the coastlines for people sneaking stuff in. Brilliant plan. Outlaw something and then make sure to not secure the population from access…

 

[chero23]

I am sure Obama will soon tell us the lessons to be learned from this tragedy:

1. We need stricter gun control
2. We need to heighten awareness about bullying gays and the rampant homophobia in this country
3. We need to increase Muslim immigration so lonely Muslims like this lone gunman don’t feel so lonely
4. We need to close Gitmo so as not to continually stoke the righteous anger of the Muslims we so greviously offend

I think he will say 1 and 2, which he should. But 3 and 4 have nothing to do with this issue.

 

[mikekle]

I know there’s a thread about guns and background checks.

But this is my question to you, if someone buys a gun and gets cleared with the back ground check. That person is then deemed as a fine person to own a gun. Sorta of like this guy.

But, when a situation breaks out and they go on a rampage, that “fine” person label is taken away and they bring up things from their past. Theirs a flaw in the system and it has to be fixed.

We had 50 today, one day, that number is going to double, triple, quadruple and were going to just go in circles.

Well, it shows that background checks for guns are not effective, most lone wolf attacks, the BG check would not have stopped them from buying a gun anyway, so I dont know what the solution is or if there even is one. There will always be a certain percentage of people willing to break the laws, no matter what the laws are or how many are put in place.