Police: Approximately 20 dead inside Florida nightclub after mass shooting

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_Abyssinia said:
No offence, but why is discussion being had about what Christians or a Christian might do, which has nothing to nothing to do with this case in Orlando? There are millions of Christians in the USA, many different denominations and individuals and has there ever been a single incident that is comparable to the attack in Orlando?
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Its called “political correctness”.

If the murderer were Christian, I’m pretty sure they would not be saying “Muslims do the same things”.
 
Thorolfr said:
The article says that he called 911 before the attack and pledged his allegiance to ISIS. That does not mean that he was dispatched by ISIS beforehand or that he had previously been an ISIS fighter anywhere. There is no evidence yet that his was some sort of coordinated attack planned beforehand by ISIS. At this point, he is looking more like a deranged lone wolf.
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You didn’t read what the Amaq news agency reported. Their sources say that he was an ISIS fighter.
Amaq News Agency, is supposedly an “official” media arm of the Islamic State,
heavy.com/news/2016/06/official-isis-islamic-state-statement-about-orlando-florida-terrorist-terrorism-attack-shooting-omar-mateen-lone-wolf-attack-amaq-news/
Further, his father supports the Taliban in Afghanistan.
 
ToeInTheWater said:
On the other hand, note that President Obama didn’t mention Islamists at all in his statements. He seems to be pushing the angle of “mass shooting motivated by anti-LGBT hatred that might have been prevented by gun control”. He may actually believe this, but it’s also the only narrative that would have the populace look toward the Democrats more than the Republicans, as the party that can keep this from happening again.
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He believes it.
 
SuperLuigi said:
A vote for Johnson is a vote for Clinton and possibly the next 50 years of the Supreme Court.

Considering what happened here, 2nd Amendment is very important as well.
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This is exactly what the elite GOP’ers will say when the replace Trump with someone else.
 
I understand this guy worked as an armed security guard through Homeland Security.
 
Theo520 said:
I understand this guy worked as an armed security guard through Homeland Security.
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Was this before or after the FBI questioned him about ISIS related activities? Because I would think that would be a general disqualifier.
 
Crossbones said:
Was this before or after the FBI questioned him about ISIS related activities? Because I would think that would be a general disqualifier.
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I thought during, and maybe even recently. It was his coworkers who flagged him to the FBI several time. Heard this on the radio while driving, I can’t source it.
 
josie_L said:
Yes, I agree that he was a lone wolf, but the hate/evil promoted by ISIS was definitely something which influenced him.
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Yes, I don’t see why it makes such a big difference whether this was a coordinated attack by ISIL or a “lone wolf” influenced by them. I mean, I see why we would want to know that, but for purposes of the larger issue, if this guy was influenced by ISIL, which it looks like he was, then this mass murder can be laid to ISIL’s doorstep.
 
shockerfan said:
Its called “political correctness”.

If the murderer were Christian, I’m pretty sure they would not be saying “Muslims do the same things”.
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If the murderer was Christian, I’m not sure that the Christian population would feel the urge to say “let’s wait for the authority’s find out before we react” because they fear retaliation, since it isn’t uncommon of mosques to be vandalized or brown-skinned people assaulted after an attack like this. Therein lies the difference.

I understand that people are angry, but it isn’t politically correctness to encourage people to focus more on his crime than his religion. Nor is it political correctness to encourage not to politicize this. And when folks say things like “this leftist administration isn’t keeping us safe” they are doing just that.
 
Theo520 said:
I thought during, and maybe even recently. It was his coworkers who flagged him to the FBI several time. Heard this on the radio while driving, I can’t source it.
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Interesting. I guess we’ll have to wait to learn more.
 
FollowChrist34 said:
I think it is important to remember how intolerant Christians can be too, correct? Let’s step back and take a deep breath here. 🙂 Why oh why can us Westerners never learn to be more accepting of different cultures that challenge our values? Less judgmental, less grim.
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Yea, its all those Christians clinging to their bible and their guns that are at fault.
 
xNoOnex said:
If the murderer was Christian, I’m not sure that the Christian population would feel the urge to say “let’s wait for the authority’s find out before we react” because they fear retaliation, since it isn’t uncommon of mosques to be vandalized or brown-skinned people assaulted after an attack like this. Therein lies the difference.

I understand that people are angry, but it isn’t politically correctness to encourage people to focus more on his crime than his religion. Nor is it political correctness to encourage not to politicize this. And when folks say things like “this leftist administration isn’t keeping us safe” they are doing just that.
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This kid called 911 and said it was jihad for ISIS and Allah, the politics are on the table.

I don’t recall any practicing Christian claim they were killing for Christ.
 
Theo520 said:
This kid called 911 and said it was jihad for ISIS and Allah, the politics are on the table.

I don’t recall any practicing Christian claim they were killing for Christ.
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Eh, there’s Robert Dear (Planned Parenthood shooter) who believed that “When he died and went to heaven, he would be met by all the aborted fetuses at the gates of heaven and they would thank him … for what he did because his actions saved lives of other unborn fetuses.”

Now, many Christians will point out that Mr. Dear is likely severely mentally ill. But that quote suggests that he believed he was killing based on his Christian religious beliefs
 
Crossbones said:
Eh, there’s Robert Dear (Planned Parenthood shooter) who believed that “When he died and went to heaven, he would be met by all the aborted fetuses at the gates of heaven and they would thank him … for what he did because his actions saved lives of other unborn fetuses.”

Now, many Christians will point out that Mr. Dear is likely severely mentally ill. But that quote suggests that he believed he was killing based on his Christian religious beliefs
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As I recall, he didn’t attend any church and he said he did it for the babies. Being baptized and having peeked at a bible doesn’t equal practicing the faith.
 
Theo520 said:
As I recall, he didn’t attend any church and he said he did it for the babies. Being baptized and having peeked at a bible doesn’t equal practicing the faith.
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Of course, many Muslims will claim that Mateen was no Muslim.
 
philipl said:
That is exactly what youre doing
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No, I’m not. And I’m not sure why it seems to be such a controversial idea that we need to make sure that we don’t start focusing on more their acts than their religion.
 
Theo520 said:
This kid called 911 and said it was jihad for ISIS and Allah, the politics are on the table.

I don’t recall any practicing Christian claim they were killing for Christ.
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The difference between Christians who go bad, and Muslims, is that Christians do not have billions of Saudi petrodollars flooding their churches with radical literature.
Christians do not have an Iranian theocratic state hanging homosexuals for the crime of sodomy until they are dead.

On the contrary, Catholics have explicit teachings that encourage their members to treat homosexuals with dignity and respect.
Suffice to say that for a Catholic to come to CAF advocating that killing homosexuals is the compassionate thing to do is something that has zero tolerance.
 
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