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Thorolfr
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So what. People often try to make horrific actions seem righteous by pretending that what they’re doing is what God would want.
Police: Approximately 20 dead inside Florida nightclub after mass shooting
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GaryTaylor
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They already have, Obama already mentioned his favorite gun talking point “if just one less gun were in the street”. Terrible optics with this guy but predictable timing.
The FBI is addressing the public today which “they” briefed Obama before he spoke today.
So basically Obama came out to express his prayer intent for the innocent and promote his politics, any in depth info is coming from the FBI today.
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shockerfan
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The “so what” is this: This particular brand / sect / denomination of Islam has millions of followers, either in the form of a person who would actually kill themselves, or in the form of a supporter of that ideology.
Their numbers dwarf other brands / sects / denominations of other religions who would so the same thing.
You can’t address a problem if you refuse to identify the problem.
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mikekle
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Amazing! They are doing the very thing people are blasting Trump for doing…?? How do they not see this?
I will say though, the time is coming when they will have squads going door to door, searching and maybe confiscating certain guns, every attack like this gets us closer and closer.
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FollowChrist34
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It is actually 50 dead; we should correct the subject line. This is the US answer to Britain’s Rotterham. When will we learn? And what is it that creates this mental block, this refusal to recognize an enemy in our midst? If some people want to live in that kind of ignorance, fine, but I don’t. I will let Bill Maher have the last word:
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GaryTaylor
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It was actually a better speaking moment imho and his approach has changed yesterday and today, todays fluid address was better than yesterday but the emotional level was the same both times imo. Personally imo it was progress and I like it all the way around, but the Reps will say he didn’t clearly state radical Islamic terrorism. Obama, and correct me if I am wrong doesn’t think Isis is Islamic.
He admitted it was extremism connected to isis, I think he said something about the killing of gays by Isis also. While this connection is true, there is no mutually exclusive connection to a childhood hate of gays or simply gay hate. I’d have to re read the minutes I missed some of it.
He admitted it was extremism connected to isis, I think he said something about the killing of gays by Isis also. While this connection is true, there is no mutually exclusive connection to a childhood hate of gays or simply gay hate. I’d have to re read the minutes I missed some of it.
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grotto
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We need to talk about the War on Radical Islamic Terrorism. If you cannot bring yourself to say this because it scares you, first pull your head out of the sand, take a deep breath, and say WAR ON RADICAL ISLAMIC TERRORISM. There, now we can go forward.
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FollowChrist34
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It is an election year. And this happened on his watch. Are you surprised at the adjustment? Worst massacre in the nation’s history - against one of his most committed, loyal groups of supporters. (the varsity team strikes back)
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Sy_Noe
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Then Trump and his supporters should immediately cease saying he is not a politician.
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Arizona_Mike
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That’s the new face of terrorism in this decade. Cellular organizations are still vulnerable to penetration by state security agencies. By making an open appeal to the disaffected individual, as well as to those who are as crazy as a rat in a tin can, a terrorist group can offer doctrinal support, and in some cases training within or outside the host country, with little risk to the organization, and still be able to claim credit for the attack. Today, they can use social media and on-line training - distance learning in a new and deadly form - to provide basic instruction in how to carry out attacks.
The lone-wolf attacks provide further support for the idea of the power of the terrorist organization and act as a recruiting tool. It’s hardly a new idea in terrorist doctrine - Carlo Pisacane and Mikhail Bakunin both argued for its use as the “Propaganda of the Deed” back in the 19th century. It influenced the doctrine of the Muslim Bortherhood and Salafist organizations.
They can argue whatever they want. The rest of us don’t have to give credence to their claims.
So, a police officer said he was ‘unhinged and unstable’ and he was allowed to own AR-15 weapons and work as an armed security guard? That makes sense. This is looking more like a Sandy Hook deal where someone should have said this guy is nuts and shouldn’t be around weapons. I’m sorry, the more I learn about this fellow, the more I think he is just plain mentally ill and that religion had little to do with his thinking except giving him an excuse to act out his rage.
“Terrorists” are usually unhinged, Crossbones. If you take a cross-section of any terrorist group, you will find higher levels of paranoia, of schizophrenia, of borderline personality disorder, of bipolar disorder, of substance abuse, of narcism, of delusional beliefs, and of psychopathy. That’s who they recruit, and that’s who self-recruits. If I lead a terrorist group and want to find someone to kill a bunch of innocents or blow himself up, that’s my recruiting pool.
And the unwillingness of his employer to fire him (because he was a Muslim) and then request that the state pull his security guard card needs to be addressed
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grotto
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Need an answer to this: Who, by name and position, made the decision that this ISIS assassin was cleared from further investigation (other than his coworkers alerting the authorities x 2), and his employment as security for Federal Buildings which means his background investigation was complete and acceptable? Who, decided to File 13 the info that had been provided? Obviously, his frequent attendance at the local mosque, his early years in New York with his Afghan, Taliban father, with Afghan political pursuits, clues?
Neighborhood Watchers could do a better job! WHO made the decision? Was this person instructed to stop the “see something, say something”? WHO is responsible at the top?
Neighborhood Watchers could do a better job! WHO made the decision? Was this person instructed to stop the “see something, say something”? WHO is responsible at the top?
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FollowChrist34
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Yes, I will give him this - he came up with something a little better than “What does it matter!?” 
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GaryTaylor
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Somewhat, I just expect clear professionalism, and on point and in a professional setting, not with the Jazz band on late night TV at 1 in morning. But he was more on point these two days and his emotional balance was consistent and the setting was suffice. Course as I was saying I disagree with much of his policy but he was appropriate and not divisive aside from his polite politics in mention.
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Arizona_Mike
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Thousands if not more. It can’t be easily quantified because in most cases, the knowledge that a citizen is armed, or might be armed, deters criminals.
A 1981 study found 645,000 instances in the U.S. where threatened use of a handgun protected life in the previous year. That’s about 10 times the number of lives lost to criminal use of a firearm, or misuse of a firearm (accidents & suicide). In only about half of those did the weapon need to be fired. If we add use of rifles and shotguns, that number would probably rise over a million per year.
if we include those who survived to produce children who might have died if a weapon was not available, the number saved by firearms rises astronomically. I’m alive today because my grandmother used a gun to defend herself against a violent felon when she was a young woman. If he had raped and killed her, which was probably his intent based on his past criminal activity, I would never have been born, nor would my children, nor my siblings. That’s 6 lives saved right there.
That’s also not counting passive cases where the mere knowledge that a gun could be in a home or business deterred violence. We can’t even begin to guess how many lives are saved that way.
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FollowChrist34
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It’s called…CYA.
(do I sound like a Trump tweet - sorry about that in advance - I mean that
. Our politesse is letting us down a little here.)
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Arizona_Mike
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Depends on the mosque and the imam.
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philipl
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Because their act are directly related to their faith. I have yet to hear of ONE catholic that has murdered 50 people and used Catholicism as a reason. This myth that Christianity is every bit as evil as Islam is just that, a myth.
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GaryTaylor
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Could be aside from the obvious we discussed there was a different feel to the two speeches for sure. You know it just rubbed me differently but I can’t quite pin it down.It’s called…CYA.
(do I sound like a Trump tweet - sorry about that in advance - I mean that
He could be back to absurd and silly in full throttle next week too.
I don’t want to heap to much praise his way but in “general” its good we could elevate the dialogue, just a hair higher then twitter. For a flashing moment even Trump was seen doing this.
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Cmc1972
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At least, we agree people should be allowed to practice their faith.
Sin is sin.
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Cmc1972
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And if they do kill in the name of God, it would be immediately denounced as sin against God.
See the difference?
See the difference?
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