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TheNoseKnows
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If you fund that echo chamber with Tax dollars it most certainly does.
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Zaccheus
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I do not say he was right. I say this is what he thought.Zaccheus:
That is blatantly false.
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Zaccheus
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Legal freedom of speech means the government isn’t allowed to punish you for saying what they don’t like to hear. It does not mean you may lawfully barge into my home to lecture me, or follow someone down the street shouting insults, or (the classic example) yell “FIRE!” in a crowded public gathering.
Every legal right is going to have some exceptions and restrictions. I see no violation of the principle of freedom of speech in the idea of having a ‘safe space’ where certain things are not to be done.
I do grant that such a practice may be abused; but the chance of abuse does not make the practice itself wrong.
We don’t forbid the printing of currency because there are counterfeiters.
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Zaccheus
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Evangeliscals and Catholics alike come in for hostility.redbetta:
I’m sure that’s Evangelicals not Catholics.
Frankly, even on CAF, there’s quite of bit of prejudice and hate towards Evangelicals. Not on theology but because of politics.
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Lifeisbeautiful3
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Your tone offended me… 
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Rozellelily
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Are you being serious or being tongue in cheek please?
If serious,I’m really sorry,it wasn’t my intention to offend you at all and I didn’t mean anything negative directed to you, I was just clarifying the difference between political correctness vs respectfulness.
What did I say/which part that caused offence?
If serious,I’m really sorry,it wasn’t my intention to offend you at all and I didn’t mean anything negative directed to you, I was just clarifying the difference between political correctness vs respectfulness.
What did I say/which part that caused offence?
blackforest
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Funny you should mention that . . . It’s Time to Stop Using the ‘Fire in a Crowded Theater’ Quote - The Atlantic
Done or said? We’re discussing speech here.
I did say in a previous post, (It’s OK if you didn’t read it - long thread), that there’s an (at least legally) acceptable setting for a “safe space,” such as extracurricular activities or anything sponsored by a private entity. The classroom just isn’t one of them.
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J_the_Centrist
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Political correctness is a farce and is not any genuine attempt to care about anyone. If I say something and it offends you then it’s your problem and not my problem and I don’t intend to make it my problem. It is also my experience that those who political correctness is intended to “defend” or “protect” see through the smokes and mirrors of this social experiment meant to go wrong, meant to go wrong, and take full advantage of it and I see it all the time. Personally, I am more concerned about free speech then about defending the sensitivities of those who know it’s a farce and wouldn’t even give me a glass of water if I were dying. If someone is offended then let them win by argument and not by, often pathetic, attempts to brow beat their opponent into a superficial apology that goes against their natural instincts just so the “offender” can keep their job or be seen by the reprobate as not “being like that.” If I am offending anyone with this statement then beat me by argument and not by false appeals and emotional ramblings you may say very well but you neither practice nor really believe in.
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Sarcelle
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I know what you mean.
People sometimes use humor or banter to be as insulting and yet when they are called out by it, they just say it’s all banter.
My type of humor is poking fun at myself not others.
People sometimes use humor or banter to be as insulting and yet when they are called out by it, they just say it’s all banter.
My type of humor is poking fun at myself not others.
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abucs
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Hitler’s socialists set up safe spaces all across western Europe.
The politically correct notion of ‘safe spaces’ is simply an emotionalised way of removing all those that oppose you while claiming victimhood.
The politically correct notion of ‘safe spaces’ is simply an emotionalised way of removing all those that oppose you while claiming victimhood.
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Zaccheus
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Intention matters. Did you mean to offend the other person? Because sometimes people do.
Or did they take offense at something innocently meant by you?
Did you say something that you knew from previous experience would give offense, and if so was what you said the only way to convey your meaning or was there another way to say the same thing without giving offense?
If you were telling an unpleasant truth that needed to be told then yes, I would agree it’s their problem should they take offense.
On the other hand if someone just insists on their right to say something was ‘gay’ to mean it was bad, after a homosexual person asks them to stop using the word, that is not really an innocent act.
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Zaccheus
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Uh.
I take exception to the idea that everyone who wants a ‘safe space’ is the same as the Nazis.
I take exception to the idea that everyone who wants a ‘safe space’ is the same as the Nazis.
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abucs
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Should we take seriously what would have offended Hitler’s socialists in the 1930’s?
Should we take seriously what offends the Islamic State today?
The problem with organising morals around what offends other people is that it is too easy to use this to control other people. As the example suggests, Hitler’s socialists were offended by those that opposed it’s policies. My answer to Hitler’s socialists and Islamic state is great, you need to be offended. When offence is used as offense (excuse the pun) then this demonstrates the danger of organising common ethics around this principle.
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abucs
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This was not said. The principle of using offense as a weapon though, as does the modern Left is the same as it was for Hitler’s socialists. It is meant to silence people and force through your own ideology on others.
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Jump4Joy
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Accusing someone of over sensitivity can be a way of ending an argument as well. Same with accusing someone of being overly emotional. Who decides what people should or shouldn’t be offended by anyways?
Is there something I’m not understanding?
People have every right to feel slighted, offended, hurt by statement they interpret or perceive as offensive.
Is there something I’m not understanding?
People have every right to feel slighted, offended, hurt by statement they interpret or perceive as offensive.
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abucs
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Nothing you say is incorrect. The problem is when people wish to use the state to force behaviour and thought on others due to a claim of being offended. This is a very dangerous idea.
blackforest
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Yup. It’s gaslighting, and it’s passive-aggression.
“Gee, you’re so sensitive. Can’t you take a joke?”
“Not one like that, no.”
“Gee, you’re so sensitive. Can’t you take a joke?”
“Not one like that, no.”
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Zaccheus
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Uh.
Do you really see no difference between what I said and condoning Hitler’s persecutions?
Do you believe ‘don’t insult a gay person’ is the same as 'you must agree with Islamic extremists?"
I don’t want to organize morals around what offends other people. I want not to needlessly or pointlessly offend other people, nor to condone those who would shout down any protest of mistreatment with cries of “political correctness!”
Hitler’s followers were mass murderers. Do you really see no difference between that and a gay man not wanting people to shout “Fag!” when he walks by, or a black man not wanting to hear the N-word, or a woman not wanting to endure endless cat-calls and crude propositions when she walks down the street? Because in part it’s that kind of thing people are complaining about.
And if we were dealing with Hitler I’d agree with you. We’re not dealing with Hitler.
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abucs
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My question is independent of anything you have said.
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Zaccheus
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You brought up the comparison to the Nazis.Zaccheus:
This was not said. The principle of using offense as a weapon though, as does the modern Left is the same as it was for Hitler’s socialists. It is meant to silence people and force through your own ideology on others.
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