Poll: 50 percent of all Catholics support abortion in ‘all or most cases’

[SwizzleStick]

Why else would they keep voting for keen supporters of abortion on demand?

And, PS: the word is ABORTION. The baby has no CHOICE in the matter. Stop using the opposition’s false terminology because that way you have already conceded the battle.

You have confused me with the above, bolding mine. I use the term abortion because that is what it is, so I don’t know what you mean. Other terms I use are pro-life and anti-life, but I haven’t used either of those in this thread, so could you please clarify?

 

[SwizzleStick]

I agree with all your points re the need to bring back moral teaching into the Church. But I also want to remind you that the poll was done by Washington Post and ABC, 2 of the most liberal media outlets in the world. You can manipulate statistics anyway you want. How many Catholics in name only are out there. How did they select the poll group, what part of the country was used(New York and California vs Midwestern states) etc.
Please people do not be discouraged. Even if the poll was accurate (which I doubt) remember that many times in history it was the “remnant” that saved the day. I personally have seen here in the Midwest an increase in traditional Catholicism, many many families leaving their" feel good" suburban architectural horrors of Churches and flocking back to older, inner city , traditional Churches, I have seen many young people returning to the values of abstinence before and outside of marriage. There is a definite increase in NFP use and even then family sizes seem to be increasing. While 10-15 years ago a family with 5 kids was frowened upon, now the frown doesn’t start until number 7 or 8 ( ) So keep hoping and trusting in God. Remember, the gates of h-ll will not prevail against the Church on the Rock!!!

Thank you for this! I am discouraged sometimes, but I do take comfort in knowing that the gates of Hell will not prevail against His Church. In the end, He wins and His will be done.

 

[SwizzleStick]

Let’s face it, most baptized Catholics do not regularly attend Mass and live secular lives. Yet they are still counted as Catholics by virtue of baptism as an infant.

Maybe it’s safe to say 50% of Catholics are “cultural Catholics” and maybe should stop calling themselves Catholics since they don’t agree with the church on this issue and probably dozens more issues.

Think about, the parish population at Easter and Christmas probably doubles, and not even all professed Catholics even show up for those days.

It’s a sad thing, the answer is better catechesis on both abortion and what it means to be Catholic.

It would also be nice if these surveys compared “practicing Catholics” to “catholics”

Both spot on posts, thank you!

 

[SwizzleStick]

Unfortunately, this is is a reminder how the lack of catechesis is showing its fruits

Hopefully, we will return to the teachings of the Church and better catechesis and people will once again understand what it means to be Catholic.

 

[SwizzleStick]

0 % of real Catholics though. While technically baptized, a Catholic who commits a mortal sin has (temporarily at least) jumped off the ark and had best get back aboard via confession as quickly as possible. Which would be instantly with a (true) promise to confess to a priest as soon thereafter as one can. Or a Bishop if the automatic excommunication (latae sententiae) is such that that is required.

In my opinion (which doesn’t matter unless I happen to be right … but in that case then very much …) that last sentence above would apply to belonging to and supporting organizations that “make access to abortion possible” as well. For example:

Spot on!

Conspirators who incur the excommunication can be defined as those who make access to the abortion possible. This certainly includes doctors and nurses who actually do it, husbands, family and others whose counsel and encouragement made it morally possible for the woman, and those whose direct practical support made it possible (financially, driving to the clinic etc.).

The 2012 Democratic party will officially adopt an extreme position on the issue of abortion on Tuesday. According to a copy of the party platform, which was released online just before midnight on Monday, “The Democratic Party strongly and unequivocally supports Roe v. Wade and a woman’s right to make decisions regarding her pregnancy, including a safe and legal abortion, regardless of ability to pay.”

That last part–“regardless of ability to pay”–is an endorsement of taxpayer-funded abortions, a policy that President Obama has personally endorsed. Obama wants Medicaid to pay directly for elective abortions, and Obamacare will allow beneficiaries to use federal subsidies to purchase health care plans that cover elective abortions.

I’m guessing that many people don’t give the above a thought, that one can sin by aiding and abetting sin even if they do not directly participate in sin. Reminders would certainly help. Of course, there would still be those folks who would interrupt and chastise because they think they know better, but it would help some, anyway.

 

[Lancer]

Not a surprise…actually it is a worse situation than this number reported.

Pre-Vatican II Catholics had “training wheels” on our “Catholic bicycles” and were “chest pumping” faithful Catholics…then came Vatican II (concurrent with the cultural revolution…changing attitudes and actions in sexual mores, marriage and divorce, and family life)…Post-Vatican II, the “training wheels” were removed…and many of us took a spiritual spill or drove off into a secular ditch (sadly, some drove off a cliff)…we found out by and large…that we weren’t as “Catholic” as we thought we were…more like “protestants” inside the Church!

I think the Good Lord, The Holy Spirit, is making us see the Truth of the type of disciples of Christ we truly are in His Church…that Truth is our only hope to be set free…and (all in God’s grace and timing)…become what we were created to be…adopted sons and daughters of the Lord God…and real and genuine brothers and sisters in Christ Jesus.

Pax Christi

In February 2008, the** Center for Applied Research in the Apostolate (CARA)** at Georgetown University surveyed 1,007 self-identified adult Catholics in the United States from Knowledge Networks’ large national panel of households, which is assembled by regular random telephone survey methods (probability sampling). The primary focus of the survey is participation in the sacramental life of the Church as well as beliefs about the sacraments.
However, the poll also addresses many other issues of importance to the
Church, including other forms of participation in Church life and other teachings of Catholicism.

cara.georgetown.edu/sacraments.html

Sacraments Today:
Belief and Practice among U.S. Catholics

Executive Summary

Mass and Eucharist

• More than** three in ten** adult Catholics (31.4 percent) are estimated to be attending Mass in
any given week. This is equivalent to 16.1 million adult Mass attendees per week. Twentythree
percent say they attend Mass every week (once a week or more often). This has
remained unchanged—within margins of sampling error in the last five years. Mass
attendance is highest among Catholics who are older, female, married to another Catholic,
who have a college degree or more, and who attended Catholic educational institutions—
especially a Catholic college or university.

• About a third of respondents (34 percent) agree “strongly” with the statement, “I can be a
good Catholic without going to Mass every Sunday.” More than two-thirds (68 percent)
agree with this statement at least “somewhat.”

• Only 12 percent of adult Catholics say they “always” attend Mass on a Holy Day of
Obligation when these do not fall on a Sunday. Twenty-three percent say they do this
“frequently or usually,” 39 percent say they do this “seldom,” and 26 percent say they
“never” do this. Forty-one percent of those who attend Mass at least once a week say they
“always” attend Mass on a Holy Day of Obligation. Pre-Vatican II Generation Catholics are
more than twice as likely as members of any younger generation to say they “always” attend
Mass on these days (27 percent compared to 10 percent).

Reconciliation
**
Reconciliation
• Twenty-six percent of adult Catholics say they participate in the Sacrament of Reconciliation
once a year or more often (this is equivalent to 13.3 million adults). Only 2 percent of
Catholics do so once a month or more often. Thirty percent say they go to Confession less
than once a year and 45 percent say they never do so**.

cara.georgetown.edu/sacramentsesum.pdf

Catholic Beliefs and Attitudes…pg 98

cara.georgetown.edu/beliefattitude.pdf

• Only four in ten Catholics who attend Mass a few times a year or less (39 percent)
“strongly” agree that they can be a good Catholic without going to Mass every Sunday.
A similar proportion of those who attend Mass less than weekly but at least once a month
(36 percent) “strongly” agree with this statement.

• More than** four in ten Catholics who attend Mass at least once a month agree “strongly”
that it is a moral obligation for Catholics to help the poor and needy (49 percent of
weekly attenders and 43 percent of those attending at least once a month,** but less than
weekly). By comparison, only 23 percent of those attending a few times a year or less
agree as strongly.

•** Few Catholics, regardless of Mass attendance**, agree “strongly” that in deciding what is
morally acceptable they look to Church teachings and statements made by the Pope and
Bishops to form their conscience. Weekly Mass attenders are most likely to agree
“strongly” (36 percent).

• Catholics who attend Mass a few times a year or less are least likely to “strongly” agree
(17 percent) that ordination confers on the priest a new status or a permanent character
which makes him essentially different from the laity within the Church. Fourty-four
percent of weekly attenders agree as such, as do 32 percent of those attending at least
once a month but less than weekly.

 

[Sailor_Kenshin]

You have confused me with the above, bolding mine. I use the term abortion because that is what it is, so I don’t know what you mean. Other terms I use are pro-life and anti-life, but I haven’t used either of those in this thread, so could you please clarify?

Someone called it pro-choice. I was not quoting your post or if I did, I hit the wrong button.

I blame the machine!

 

[Robyn_p]

I agree with all your points re the need to bring back moral teaching into the Church. But I also want to remind you that the poll was done by Washington Post and ABC, 2 of the most liberal media outlets in the world. You can manipulate statistics anyway you want. How many Catholics in name only are out there. How did they select the poll group, what part of the country was used(New York and California vs Midwestern states) etc.
Please people do not be discouraged. Even if the poll was accurate (which I doubt) remember that many times in history it was the “remnant” that saved the day. I personally have seen here in the Midwest an increase in traditional Catholicism, many many families leaving their" feel good" suburban architectural horrors of Churches and flocking back to older, inner city , traditional Churches, I have seen many young people returning to the values of abstinence before and outside of marriage. There is a definite increase in NFP use and even then family sizes seem to be increasing. While 10-15 years ago a family with 5 kids was frowened upon, now the frown doesn’t start until number 7 or 8 ( ) So keep hoping and trusting in God. Remember, the gates of h-ll will not prevail against the Church on the Rock!!!

 

[SwizzleStick]

Someone called it pro-choice. I was not quoting your post or if I did, I hit the wrong button.

I blame the machine!

Okay, thank you for clarifying. Now, I am no longer confused.

As far as the computer :takethat:.

 

[CRC72]

That is pretty awful that parishioners would interrupt and chastise the priest during Mass. That is quite nervy. I’m glad the good and holy priest was backed up by his pastor and Diocese at least. He was doing the right thing to remind parishioners about the reality of sin and Hell. In this day and age, we could use more of that, though in this day and age, supporting the teachings of the Church can cause big trouble and create problems for priests and it is surreal that that happens. Can you imagine? Getting in trouble for teaching Catholics the Catholic Faith?

I pray that man of God is not deterred and keeps preaching the message he’s driven to preach. Let them leave if they don’t like it.

 

[SwizzleStick]

I pray that man of God is not deterred and keeps preaching the message he’s driven to preach. Let them leave if they don’t like it.

I agree.

 

[Carlan]

This is awful. So many things have changed during my lifetime that I never would have thought possible as a young adult. God help us.

I realize that a Catholic following the teachings of Holy Mother Church does not support abortion. But, it is still devastating to know that so many who identify as Catholic support the intrinsic evil of abortion.

"]"Poll: 50 percent of all Catholics support abortion in ‘all or most cases’

July 25, 2013 (LifeSiteNews.com) – Half of all Catholics believe abortion should be legal in all or most cases, according to a poll commissioned by The Washington Post and ABC in the wake of the murder convictions of Philadelphia House of Horrors abortionist Kermit Gosnell.

Fifty percent of Catholics said they believed abortion should be legal in all or most circumstances, while 45 percent say it should be illegal in the same circumstances. That was only moderately more pro-life than the American public as a whole, which favored abortion 55-41."…

Blue excerpt from source link: lifesitenews.com/news/poll-50-percent-of-all-catholics-support-abortion-in-all-or-most-cases

I do not believe that poll! Perhaps 50% of all non Catholics would be more accurate. Peace, Carlan

 

[livingwordunity]

That poll explains why most Catholics appear to have voted for Obama who supports abortion in all cases, even after birth.

 

[MJJean]

I do not believe that poll! Perhaps 50% of all non Catholics would be more accurate. Peace, Carlan

I believe it. I was a Protestant or Atheist or Pagan surrounded by Catholics for years. Many conversations about abortion, birth control, and divorce. The majority of the Catholics I know between friends and family members use contraception, have been married and divorced at least once and support abortion rights and SSM.

 

[CaptFun]

http://forums.catholic-questions.org/image.php?u=97058&type=sigpic&dateline=1339808551

“Truly you have formed my inmost being, you knit me in my mother’s womb” (Psalm 139:13,15)

To boycott companies that are pro-abortion www.fightpp.org

“Anyone who knows the good he ought to do and does not do it, sins.” (James 4:17)

Unfortunately, this is is a reminder how the lack of catechesis is showing its fruits

I just loved the artwork on your post … so I placed it first. It’s such a positive image of our Creator rejoicing in one of the “least of his brethren” as precious and loved.

That image in the mind is an innoculation against the smarmy, bloodless, pseudo-intellectual excuses and preposterous sophistry of the pro-abortion insects, some of whom
call themselves Catholic or “Christian” while what they work so hard for – would make quite an opposite picture than this joyous and loving one.

http://christiannewsbuzz.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/09/Pro-LIFE.jpeg

 

[_Abyssinia]

This poll does not distinguish between practicing Catholics and lapsed Catholics does it?

Look at this analyses of a Pew poll and see how Church attendance can change the result of support for Mitt Romney

But again the preference for Romney is much stronger among regular churchgoers. White non-Hispanic Catholics who attend Mass weekly (or more often) favor Romney by an overwhelming 64 to 31%; among those who attend Mass less often, his lead drops to 51 to 34%.

catholicculture.org/news/headlines/index.cfm?storyid=14073

 

[tarboy]

I think other polls better show beliefs
Majority of Americans support abortion in 1st trimester
Majority of Americans oppose abortion in 3rd trimester

The battleground is what to make legal/illegal in 2nd trimester.

I don’t see majority of Catholics being much different.

 

[ProVobis]

That last part–“regardless of ability to pay”–is an endorsement of taxpayer-funded abortions, a policy that President Obama has personally endorsed.

The Hyde Amendment forbids this. Where are Issa, Rove, Norquist and all the other Republicans in all this?

 

[livingwordunity]

The Hyde Amendment forbids this. Where are Issa, Rove, Norquist and all the other Republicans in all this?

Are you trying to deny that tax payer money goes to abortion providers?

 

[ProVobis]

Not a surprise…actually it is a worse situation than this number reported.

Pre-Vatican II Catholics had “training wheels” on our “Catholic bicycles” and were “chest pumping” faithful Catholics…then came Vatican II (concurrent with the cultural revolution…changing attitudes and actions in sexual mores, marriage and divorce, and family life)…Post-Vatican II, the “training wheels” were removed…and many of us took a spiritual spill or drove off into a secular ditch (sadly, some drove off a cliff)…we found out by and large…that we weren’t as “Catholic” as we thought we were…more like “protestants” inside the Church!

I like this analogy.

You can include relaxing the fasting/abstinence requirements and use of “conscience.” That had to change the Catholic culture somewhat too. Like to a more casual culture.