Poll: 50 percent of all Catholics support abortion in ‘all or most cases’

[ProVobis]

Are you trying to deny that tax payer money goes to abortion providers?

I said (or implied) it’s illegal. I didn’t say it doesn’t happen. But where are their priorities in enforcing the law, if not political? We’re supposed to be a checks-and-balances system, last time I checked.

 

[CaptFun]

The Hyde Amendment forbids this. Where are Issa, Rove, Norquist and all the other Republicans in all this?

thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/07/04/rove-hits-obama-on-abortion-issue/?_r=0

“This is a man who stands up and says he is going to bring Republicans and Democrats together to achieve great things for the country,” Mr. Rove said. “How can you claim to do that if you are at the same time supporting the divisive practice of using taxpayer dollars to fund abortion? You can’t. You cannot square that circle.”

And he ticked off a list of positions Mr. Obama has taken on abortion-related bills, pointing out that the Illinois senator and presumptive Democratic presidential nominee, received a zero rating from the N.R.L.C and a 100 percent rating for his Senate votes from the abortion rights group, Naral Pro-Choice America. Naral endorsed Mr. Obama in May.

Mr. Rove also took aim Mr. Obama’s recent efforts to court “pro-life and values leaders” and try to “convince them that he’s a reasonable person.”

“I understand what he’s trying to do,” Mr. Rove said. “But there is a difference between talk and action. And in this instance, his actions over the years are far more important than any reassuring words that he can offer in a private conversation.”

politicususa.com/2011/11/17/darrell-issa-tries-to-blackmail-washington-d-c-into-banning-abortion.html < Issa criticized for blocking abortion funding (liberal source)

(excerpt) Darrel Issa (R-CA), chairman of the House Oversight and Government Reform Committee. Issa, who has already proven that there is no depth to which he is not willing to sink, and well aware that D.C. would like to have at least the autonomy of a city budget, has decided to blackmail the city without a state by offering it budget independence. All they had to do was agree to ban abortion.

According to the Washington Post:

[Issa] has drafted a bill that would give the District more freedom to spend its own money — with a catch…a provision that would prohibit the District from spending its own taxpayer funds to pay for abortions for low-income women except in cases of rape, incest or to save the life of the mother.

nytimes.com/2011/07/19/opinion/19tue1.html < A Norquist-like pledge against abortion funding is denounced here in a New York Times editorial. It named prominent GOP candidates “on this”.

There is the** Susan B. Anthony pledge, in which candidates promise to appoint antiabortion cabinet officers and cut off federal financing to Planned Parenthood and other abortion providers**. It has been signed by Michele Bachmann, Newt Gingrich, Ron Paul, Tim Pawlenty and Rick Santorum. There is the cut, cap and balance pledge to gut the federal government by cutting and capping spending, and enacting a balanced-budget amendment to the Constitution. It has been signed by all of the above candidates, plus Mitt Romney and Herman Cain.

And there is the particularly bizarre Marriage Vow, in which candidates agree to oppose same-sex marriage, reject Shariah law and pledge personal fidelity to their spouse … It was signed by Mr. Santorum and Mrs. Bachmann.

The NY Times editorial writer must not be married … or if he/she is … was smart enough to post anonymously after having included “bizarre Marriage Vow” … and “personal fidelity to their spouse” in the same sentence (negatively).

 

[1AugustSon7]

This is the result of the insidious effects of propaganda, emotional manipulation, scandalous example and abuse of media. These are very powerful forces that act on individuals. The best thing to do is pray for them and strive in all love and humility to expose errors as such and lead people to the light of Faith, Love and Truth. In time, and with God’s help, the Truth will prevail.

 

[ProVobis]

thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/07/04/rove-hits-obama-on-abortion-issue/?_r=0

politicususa.com/2011/11/17/darrell-issa-tries-to-blackmail-washington-d-c-into-banning-abortion.html < Issa criticized for blocking abortion funding (liberal source)

nytimes.com/2011/07/19/opinion/19tue1.html < A Norquist-like pledge against abortion funding is denounced here in a New York Times editorial. It named prominent GOP candidates “on this”.

The NY Times editorial writer must not be married … or if he/she is … was smart enough to post anonymously after having included “bizarre Marriage Vow” … and “personal fidelity to their spouse” in the same sentence (negatively).

Thanks for the links.

 

[Cath4life]

I just loved the artwork on your post … so I placed it first. It’s such a positive image of our Creator rejoicing in one of the “least of his brethren” as precious and loved.

Thanks. Your image is awesome!! Let’s keep fighting for those that have no voice in our society:thumbsup:

 

[Carlan]

I said (or implied) it’s illegal. I didn’t say it doesn’t happen. But where are their priorities in enforcing the law, if not political? We’re supposed to be a checks-and-balances system, last time I checked.

The opposition Party talks it up along with other morals but they don’t all actually practice.
I’ll say it, it is political. Their favorite wedges are political. They kid themselves. Their members are sinners,no more no less than the rest of us. Mea culpa.

Peace, Carlan

 

[Slaney]

Supporting abortion is a tightrope no right thinking person should walk, on either side is Heaven or hell, choose wisely ! …

 

[Mary_Fleurdelis]

I’m sure someone has brought this up, but take it from someone with a social science background:

1. People self-report religion, not the degree to which they are active in that religion
2. Most media polls are taken from biased samples
3. Samples are usually not representative, especially on social issues

That being said, as a pro-life activist, I think we NEED to take some of Abby Johnson’s advice and put up “This is a Pro-Life Church” banners in all of our churches, we need to have pregnancy crisis information in all of the bulletins, and have the PRIEST talk about abortion AT SUNDAY MASS which is the only place you’ll catch most American Catholics doing anything remotely religious.

Abortion is only one teaching that needs to be re-taught to Catholics. And actually taught, especially for those of us (ahem, me) who attended CCD and Catholic school and learned basically nothing about Catholicism.

Don’t be discouraged…the youngest generation is currently the most pro-life. This poll is probably just another attempt to downplay the Americans’ sudden and rapid disapproval of abortion.

 

[JamesCollins]

And then there is the poll out by Gallup today which says that 60% of Catholics support a federal law forcing all states to legalize same sex marriage. I’m really embarrassed to be identified as Catholic when I see the results of these polls. I used to be Mormon and the Mormons would come out strongly against both abortion and gay marriage in polls like this.

 

[Julian_Bashir]

The opposition Party talks it up along with other morals but they don’t all actually practice.
I’ll say it, it is political. Their favorite wedges are political. They kid themselves. Their members are sinners,no more no less than the rest of us. Mea culpa.

Peace, Carlan

And their opposition party talks about helping the poor, but has increased exponentially the numbers of poor under their watch.

I assume you agree they kid themselves too?

 

[Robyn_p]

And then there is the poll out by Gallup today which says that 60% of Catholics support a federal law forcing all states to legalize same sex marriage. I’m really embarrassed to be identified as Catholic when I see the results of these polls. I used to be Mormon and the Mormons would come out strongly against both abortion and gay marriage in polls like this.

It is sad. Why is it like this? Why do Catholics not listen to the guide that Christ gave us??? Most of them don’t even realize the great gift we have.

Thankfully though, the teachings of the Church aren’t decided by a majority vote. I’m still proud to be Catholic in spite of all this. My pride doesn’t rest on how faithfully my fellow Catholics might be living the faith, but on how faithful Christ is. He’s in charge…

 

[Carlan]

And their opposition party talks about helping the poor, but has increased exponentially the numbers of poor under their watch.

I assume you agree they kid themselves too?

And I do hope you are looking honestly at the real cause of the increasing distress of the poor.
Peace, Carlan

 

[BroomWagon]

The opposition Party talks it up along with other morals but they don’t all actually practice.
I’ll say it, it is political. Their favorite wedges are political. They kid themselves. Their members are sinners,no more no less than the rest of us. Mea culpa.

Peace, Carlan

This is why Wisconsin, Texas, 8 other states have de-funded Planned Parenthood, a favored cause of the Democrat Party and America’s biggest abortion provider?? I thought so.

 

[Carlan]

Sadly People have abortions for all kinds of reasons, and no matter how much we disagree with such sin we can and should be able to agree that such sins are personally decided upon by the people who commit them. And they come from all segments of our society and no matter what, they will find a source for funding, they always have.
Blame cannot be placed upon any one else.
We can, and most of us here would, point out to them how wrong and deadly to their souls it would be, and the alienation they will suffer from God who creates all his children.
We who condemn, must remember that only God judges the deep heart of all of us.
We pray for the redemption of all sinners.
Peace, Carlan​

 

[Mulligan2]

I’m sure someone has brought this up, but take it from someone with a social science background:

1. People self-report religion, not the degree to which they are active in that religion
2. Most media polls are taken from biased samples
3. Samples are usually not representative, especially on social issues

That being said, as a pro-life activist, I think we NEED to take some of Abby Johnson’s advice and put up “This is a Pro-Life Church” banners in all of our churches, we need to have pregnancy crisis information in all of the bulletins, and have the PRIEST talk about abortion AT SUNDAY MASS which is the only place you’ll catch most American Catholics doing anything remotely religious.

Abortion is only one teaching that needs to be re-taught to Catholics. And actually taught, especially for those of us (ahem, me) who attended CCD and Catholic school and learned basically nothing about Catholicism.

Don’t be discouraged…the youngest generation is currently the most pro-life. This poll is probably just another attempt to downplay the Americans’ sudden and rapid disapproval of abortion.

Can you please provide a source for this?

 

[MJJean]

Sadly People have abortions for all kinds of reasons, and no matter how much we disagree with such sin we can and should be able to agree that such sins are personally decided upon by the people who commit them. And they come from all segments of our society and no matter what, they will find a source for funding, they always have.
Blame cannot be placed upon any one else.
We can, and most of us here would, point out to them how wrong and deadly to their souls it would be, and the alienation they will suffer from God who creates all his children.
We who condemn, must remember that only God judges the deep heart of all of us.
We pray for the redemption of all sinners.
Peace, Carlan​

Very beautiful.

The first thing any Christian should do is explain why abortion is so damaging and urge a woman considering abortion not to go through with it.

The second thing we should do is offer information (adoption, financial assistance, places to go to get donated baby items etc) to those choosing abortion out of desperation so that they may be able to keep their babies.

And, lastly, we should remind those women that no matter how terrible a sin they commit, God loves them infinitely and they can always come back to faith.

 

[BroomWagon]

Can you please provide a source for this?

Hard data. Does it exist for that assertion??

Poll Shows Youngest Americans More Pro-Life on Abortion Than Baby Boomers

Washington, DC (LifeNews.com) – As hundreds of thousands of pro-life Americans young and old participate in the March for Life in Washington today, a new poll finds most marchers will likely be from the millennial generation or Generation X. The most recent Marist survey finds them the most pro-life on abortion.

Conducted by Marist Institute for Public Opinion in late December and early January, the new poll finds Americans of all generations are pro-life on abortion.

But it is Americans who are under the age of 44 who oppose abortion more than older Americans.

The survey, sponsored by the Knights of Columbus, finds Baby Boomers (those aged 45-64) are the least pro-life, with 51 percent saying abortion is “morally wrong.”

Okay, point taken the poll is sponsored by the K of C and run by the Marist Institute.

All the same, on an objective basis, though it’s easy to perhaps overstate the case, Live Action, Abby Johnson, the news of how the fight against abortion is daily news in either abortion clinics being closed, legislation being enacted, polls showing a pro-life shift, I think it’s undeniable that the Pro-Life movement is growing and where it is strongest certainly includes many youths but not limited to them.

This report presents the findings from a survey of 2,243 Americans — including an oversample of 1,006 members of the Millenial generation.

Reports for Americans have a margin of error of +/-2% and for Millennials it is +/-3%.

And to be fair, this article is from 2010. One doesn’t often see the term “millenial generation”.

 

[Carlan]

Very beautiful.

The first thing any Christian should do is explain why abortion is so damaging and urge a woman considering abortion not to go through with it.

The second thing we should do is offer information (adoption, financial assistance, places to go to get donated baby items etc) to those choosing abortion out of desperation so that they may be able to keep their babies.

And, lastly, we should remind those women that no matter how terrible a sin they commit, God loves them infinitely and they can always come back to faith.

:thumbsupeace, Carlan

 

[Mulligan2]

Hard data. Does it exist for that assertion??

Okay, point taken the poll is sponsored by the K of C and run by the Marist Institute.

All the same, on an objective basis, though it’s easy to perhaps overstate the case, Live Action, Abby Johnson, the news of how the fight against abortion is daily news in either abortion clinics being closed, legislation being enacted, polls showing a pro-life shift, I think it’s undeniable that the Pro-Life movement is growing and where it is strongest certainly includes many youths but not limited to them.

And to be fair, this article is from 2010. One doesn’t often see the term “millenial generation”.

Thanks for your reply. I know that younger people are more supportive of marriage equality than older people, and I had assumed - perhaps incorrectly - that they supported abortions rights in greater percentages as well. I am always a bit dubious of polls that are sponsored by groups with agendas, as they almost always “frame” the questions toward their side.

 

[Tarpeian]

How often is the horror of abortion brought up in your parish? How often is the horror of chemical contraception discussed? How often is the lie of cohabitation dwelt upon by the homilists?

In our childrens’ “Catholic” schools, how much are these subjects brought up (vice “social justice” issues). For example, in my daughter’s Catholic high school, the person who ran the counselling department had a life-size cardboard cutout of the abortionist-in-chief standing up in her office…(had the local public school not been so horribly appalling, I wouldn’t have wasted the $15K per year tuition…I had to spend hours each week undoing the garbage they were trying to feed her with in the name of religious education…but, mind you, it did beat the public school she’d have had to attend)

With all this, how in the world can we be surprised.

This actually does not surprise me in the least bit. Don’t get me wrong, it doesn’t overjoy me…but, in reality, it can hardly be thought of as a surprise.

I have no evidence just perspective, but I think this number is low. My family and our youth travel 30 miles twice a week to the abortion slaughter house. Some weeks the youth go more than I do (guilty as charged). When you really get involved in this apostolate, and you see how we are ridiculed by the people who pass by everyday twice a week for years on end, its difficult to believe that only 50% of Catholic’s support abortion. We go to The March every year and we can only get 300,000-500,000 Catholic’s out of 70 million! Pathetic! I have been recruiting people for years to get involved. It’s the same pathetic excuses its to cold, its too far, I will pray, and I would miss a day’s pay.

Not to be entirely pessimistic I have witnessed some encouraging signs. The fact that our youth willingly go, and pray is something to be optimistic about. In fact my 16 year olds good friend lead us in the rosary last Friday. As soon as we were finished we got the middle finger by one of the cowards speeding by, of course I was praying he would stop. And I had no good intentions if he were to stop and have a chat. (another character flaw) The same young man immediately started praying The Divine Mercy Chaplet not once, but twice for this man. Amazing

Pax,
Tarpeian