POLL: If Kavanaugh were proven guilty

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Perhaps it should have been “What if adults could entertain an uncomfortable hypothetical for a few minutes?”
 
It doesn’t matter what people vote. He would be unlikely to be appointed to any federal bench. I suppose there is a remote possibility if he was charged as a juvenile and the record was later expunged, but there is no shortage of people to fill federal judge seats and thus no need to appoint a risky one.

State judges are often elected, which is a completely different situation not addressed here.
 
ucfengr said:
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gracepoole:
“What if adults could entertain an uncomfortable hypothetical for a few minutes?”
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I didn’t find it uncomfortable at all, though I am being entertained.
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I was being generous. If you aren’t uncomfortable with the question and you continue to dodge it, I can only assume it’s because you’re incapable of the challenge presented by a hypothetical.
 
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What does any of this have to do with the hypothetical posed in the question?
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Translation: I intended this “Poll” to be a place where everyone took the position that Kavanaugh is guilty so we can talk about how he should not be on the Supreme Court. I really wish you people would stop bringing up reality since this is all supposed to be hypothetical (and by hypothetical i mean a thinly veiled attempt to call someone guilty of sexual assault with no evidence and not have to be called out on it because its all “hypothetical”)
 
Xystus said:
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What does any of this have to do with the hypothetical posed in the question?
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Translation: I intended this “Poll” to be a place where everyone took the position that Kavanaugh is guilty so we can talk about how he should not be on the Supreme Court. I really wish you people would stop bringing up reality since this is all supposed to be hypothetical (and by hypothetical i mean a thinly veiled attempt to call someone guilty of sexual assault with no evidence and not have to be called out on it because its all “hypothetical”)
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Eh, no. You should instead read it as “Respond to the question as posted, share comments if you wish, but there are other threads where we can hash out the specifics of this case.”

It would be wise of you not to assume anything about how I feel regarding this case unless you’ve read all of my posts on it.
 
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I was being generous. If you aren’t uncomfortable with the question and you continue to dodge it, I can only assume it’s because you’re incapable of the challenge presented by a hypothetical.
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gracepoole said:
It would be wise of you not to assume anything about how I feel regarding this case unless you’ve read all of my posts on it.
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Pot…kettle…
 
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So you’re not uncomfortable with the hypothetical, you’re up for the challenge it presents, you continue to post about it, but can’t actually respond to it. Hmm…
 
You know, you could just forget that it’s “my” poll and answer it. Just a thought.
 
how can i forget that it is “your” poll when you keep badgering people who don’t cooperate they way you expected everyone too. you even invited a poster to “create your own poll” for not following the rules of poll threads as you see them. If “create your own poll” does not imply that this particular one is “your poll” i don’t know what does.
 
Perhaps you’ve noticed that in all of the instances you mention, I’ve responded to the same person. The same person who can’t answer the thread’s question. Can you?
 
My answer is "Good for Kavanaugh for standing up to this disgusting smear campaign launched against him and shame on all the people who are complicit in it by blindly believing that filth despite the lack of evidence, even if they pretend they are only doing it ‘hypothetically’ "

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Kudos on the ad hominem. But please point out where I said I believe the allegations against Kavanaugh without reservation.

And of course, you didn’t answer the hypothetical posted in the poll. Or did you?
 
It really isn’t that direct.

Sexual assault is not ok and anyone who believes it is ok and engages in it should not sit on any Federal bench, imo.

However we also have to consider changed behavior and if past behavior has any bearing on current behavior.

If Kavennaugh committed sexual assault when he was a teenager in 1983, has this behavior manifested itself in his current conduct, or was it a one time event? If it was a one time event when he was 17 I am inclined to give him the benefit of the doubt and say he changed. If there is a pattern of assault, he should not. And with this, I can not think of a single individual accused and found credibly guilty (because sometimes it isn’t official in a criminal court, ala Clinton) of sexual assault who was not a serial assaulter.

And with that said, the accusations against Kavennaugh are shaky in the extreme.

I will also say that some of the claims made in defense of Kavennaugh are bizzare. It was another guy in the neighborhood? All guys do that? Really?

If Kavennaugh is found to have actually committed sexual assault, in this current scenario I think he should be disqualified from the court because he has lied about it.
 
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It really isn’t that direct.

Sexual assault is not ok and anyone who believes it is ok and engages in it should not sit on any Federal bench, imo.

However we also have to consider changed behavior and if past behavior has any bearing on current behavior.
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I did try to account for that thinking with the first poll option:

“Yes. If true, the assaults took place a long time ago and aren’t relevant to Kavanaugh’s current character.”
 
I think that is a far more relevant point than arguing about whether something he did in high school warrants a lifetime disqualification. Granted I believe what he has said, but him lying about it to Congress as an adult would be far more damning in terms of his worthiness as a judge.
 
why the plural, I’m only aware of one claimed assault/groping.

Someone dropping their pants at a college party is childish/fratish, but it’s not assault.

What happened is relevant to his character in total, not isolation. Is there a pattern of such behavior or did it not reoccur as he became a working adult. How has he treated women the past 30 yrs in comparison?
 
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