POLL: If Kavanaugh were proven guilty

[gracepoole]

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[robertmidwest]

There’s a bloodlust sweeping the land.

I am really proud of Kavanaugh’s interview today and his not backing down. He is standing up to that element your talking about. He says he says he didn’t do it and is not going to be intimidated!!! What honor and integrity!!

I voted for President Trump almost exclusively on Supreme Court nominations. Wow! His ability to name good nominees has impressed me. God bless him! Hope he gets more nominations!

 

[Theo520]

If there is evidence of taking responsibility for his crime, then perhaps it would not disqualify him.

So you want a recording of his confessional?

Must it have been transcribed and published in two local newspapers?

 

[stinkcat_14]

So you want a recording of his confessional?

Must it have been transcribed and published in two local newspapers?

I am not sure what your point is? If he is publicly accused and he admits he committed the crime, I would require evidence of repentance to even consider him for the job. For example, I had an employee once who stole from the business. I fired him. If he came to me to get his job back, I would require evidence to repentance to even consider him for the job. Has nothing to do with the confessional.

 

[MagdalenaRita]

Since Kavanaugh most likely could not be proven guilty this thread poll should maybe have been worded more like: should someone who was proven to have committed a sexual assault as a teen be appointed to SCOTUS?

I totally believe he is the victim of a smear campaign by the left, mostly feminists.

I am really proud of Kavanaugh’s interview today and his not backing down. He is standing up to that element your talking about.

I thought he did very well also.

 

[dvdjs]

It’s kind of weird isn’t it?

It is kind of weird that people don’t seem to recognize the difference between consensual sex and sexual assault.

 

[robertmidwest]

consensual sex

A powerful older executive manipulating a young (and apparently not bright(or at least naive)) woman is consensual? Monica Lewinksi at some point believed that Bill Clinton was going to divorce Hillary and take her as his new wife. Taking advantage of that naivety is consensual sex?

 

[dvdjs]

is consensual

Yes it was consensual. Regretted and regrettable perhaps. But consensual.

 

[Dr_Meinheimer]

I’d say there was a lot more evidence to support the sexual assault claims against Clinton than there were against Kavanaugh, and Bill’s were as a recent adult.

I have no idea if slick willie was guilty, but if you believe Kavanaugh is guilty, you must have been livid that Clinton was not disqualified from public service.

And I dont get what people expect. There is going to be no evidence offered by the accuser, because she has none. So you might as well judge the guy one way or another now and vote. Letting her say her peace is nice and all and placated her, but absent any evidence nor proof, it is a waste of time and a delay that will accomplish nothing, unless Collins and the spineless rinos like Flake get cold feet.

 

[robertmidwest]

A powerful older executive manipulating a young (and apparently not bright(or at least naive)) woman is consensual? Monica Lewinksi at some point believed that Bill Clinton was going to divorce Hillary and take her as his new wife. Taking advantage of that naivety is consensual sex?

Yes it was consensual. Regretted and regrettable perhaps. But consensual.

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[dvdjs]

I have no idea if slick willie was guilty, but if you believe Kavanaugh is guilty, you must have been livid that Clinton was not disqualified from public service.

There were few public disclosures about Clinton before his first election - just Ms. Flowers who alleged a consensual affair. How quaint in the age of Trump that that was considered seriously. Before his second election we learned of Jones, whose case was far more tainted by politics than the that of the people who come forward against Kavanaugh. No one voted for Clinton after the Lewinsky case came to light. And he is, in the aftermath of being found to have lied about his affair under oath, disqualified for a SCOTUS appointment.

And I dont get what people expect.

There was a poll here. People voted their expectations and their avatars are shown.

 

[Theo520]

I am not sure what your point is? If he is publicly accused and he admits he committed the crime, I would require evidence of repentance to even consider him for the job. For example, I had an employee once who stole from the business. I fired him. If he came to me to get his job back, I would require evidence to repentance to even consider him for the job. Has nothing to do with the confessional.

You seem to be asking for teens to publicly confess and repent on all their possible transgressions,
whether they were flagged or not at the time.

Seems we need to implement national Struggle Sessions

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[Dr_Meinheimer]

The poll doesn’t tell us what people expect to get from the Senate hearings. As there will be no evidence either way, I wonder which posters haven’t made up there minds on whether he should be voted in, and what are they waiting for. No proof is coming from either side. She has none, and he cant prove a negative.

 

[gracepoole]

Is this different than it was with Anita Hill? I lived through that and watched the hearings but I honestly can’t remember.

 

[Dr_Meinheimer]

It is different in the specificity ofthe claims, her memory, and the recency of the claims.

That changes a lot. Her testimony will be somehwta meaningless, except to give her an token opportunity to feel as though she is being listened to. For anyone who hasn’t decided whether he should be confirmed yet, what are they waiting for? That’s what I wonder.

 

[Annie]

Well, Ms Hill said Thomas did all this weird stuff, but she kept working for him, even changing jobs at one point to continue working for him.

OTOH, sexual harassment as a bad thing was a kind of new idea at the time, whereas now more people are aware of it and how it’s not a fun thing between men and women but a serious problem for women.

 

[Annie]

I think this poll might have worked better if it hadn’t been linked to a real case in which people have formed opinions.

Something more anonymous might have worked better, like if an adult who was convicted of a felony as a minor were to be nominated to the USSC…

At that time, it is my understanding that juveniles were not charged as adults, and juvenile records were automatically sealed when the juvenile delinquent turned 18, So in 30 years or so the question might need to be different.

 

[Giggly_Giraffe]

I believe His statement that he was a Virgin at the time of the allegations.

I FEEL an overwhelming scene of “Bearing False Witness” in order to ruin another person’s reputation. I’m a little embarrassed at being a woman and seeing dirty low-balling sleezy tacktics like this.

As teenagers, we are all learning how to socially behave. Rape that involves manipulating, substances, and violence should indeed be a serious consideration. Further, those who have these tendencies would most likely repeat them until they became problematic (hitting bottom) which there is no sign of here. I do not see any of these severe rape perversions (manipulatio or violence) by the accusers. Further, his character in the present is worth three times the weight in gold.

 

[Imdaman]

Xystus:

gracepoole:

What does any of this have to do with the hypothetical posed in the question?

Translation: I intended this “Poll” to be a place where everyone took the position that Kavanaugh is guilty so we can talk about how he should not be on the Supreme Court. I really wish you people would stop bringing up reality since this is all supposed to be hypothetical (and by hypothetical i mean a thinly veiled attempt to call someone guilty of sexual assault with no evidence and not have to be called out on it because its all “hypothetical”)

Eh, no. You should instead read it as “Respond to the question as posted, share comments if you wish, but there are other threads where we can hash out the specifics of this case.”

It would be wise of you not to assume anything about how I feel regarding this case unless you’ve read all of my posts on it.

So now we are doing hypothetical questions in the news forums. What can one say about that?

 

[dvdjs]

So now we are doing hypothetical questions in the news forums. What can one say about that?

It is part of the news of this whole event. The discussion has included much talk of how none of this matters even if true. I am grateful for a poll that summarizes the extent of this surprising line of thinking.