Pope Bluntly Faults Church's Focus on Gays and Abortion

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I can’t think of a Pope in recent times who has not emphasized mercy and forgiveness…
There haven’t been any. Any suggestion on the part of any poster that previous Popes didn’t understand and communicate God’s mercy is a suggestion reeking (ironically) with lack of charity. And what hypocrisy to suggest otherwise.
 
That’s why it’s interesting to see all of the uneasiness and discomfort expressed here in the wake of comments by a liberal minded Pope. Many here are expressing fears that they will no longer be able to “have it their way”. I think the fears are unfounded, but there is definitely a sense of discomfort in some of these posts, which suggest that some might not be on board with Catholicism if it takes a hard liberal turn. The Pope very clearly stated that he is no “right-winger”.
The Pope can take as hard a liberal turn as he wants, if he doesn’t tamper with doctrine and dogma (which he can’t) then his fallible actions have no bearing on faith.
 
You should practice seeking common ground, instead of picking apart someone who is actually an ally on the abortion issue, but differs on one aspect of it.

And that is the problem with religious and politic zealotry. They isolate themselves with their devotion to purity of ideology.
I cannot seek common ground with someone who thinks that some life is worth less than others.
 
That’s why it’s interesting to see all of the uneasiness and discomfort expressed here in the wake of comments by a liberal minded Pope. Many here are expressing fears that they will no longer be able to “have it their way”. I think the fears are unfounded, but there is definitely a sense of discomfort in some of these posts, which suggest that some might not be on board with Catholicism if it takes a hard liberal turn. The Pope very clearly stated that he is no “right-winger”.
Probably because he eschewed the trappings of his office and rode the bus with the common people, and saw their daily struggles, in the ditches of life. It’s a messy business with lots of grey areas.
 
As for contraception, abortion, and gay marriage, I think that over the course of the last 20 years or more, the number of times I have heard homilies on those matters could be counted on one hand. In the normal course of parish life, I hardly hear them mentioned. The only place I really hear them discussed much is right here on CAF. That hardly seems an obsession.

The real obsession on these matters seems to be in the secular media which daily proclaim in every manner the gospel of gay marriage, ‘reproductive freedom,’ and contraception. The Church has been reactive in these matters, not pro-active. The time for obsession was back in the 1960’s. Now, the cause has pretty much been lost.

But those moral standards are still worth fighting for, since they form the basis of family and civilization. The acceptance of contraception started us on a decades long erosion of the family, which even now proceeds apace. I simply don’t see an obsession which has not been forced upon us. Do Catholics wish to throw in the towel on cultural collapse? I hope not.
 
Probably because he eschewed the trappings of his office and rode the bus with the common people, and saw their daily struggles, in the ditches of life. It’s a messy business with lots of grey areas.
As if right wingers do not see daily struggles? We may come to different conclusions but that doesn’t mean we don’t understand the daily grind. We live it just as much as left wingers do.
 
As for contraception, abortion, and gay marriage…the real obsession on these matters seems to be in the secular media which daily proclaim in every manner*** the gospel of gay marriage, ‘reproductive freedom,’ and contraception.*** The Church has been reactive in these matters, not pro-active. The time for obsession was back in the 1960’s. Now, the cause has pretty much been lost.

But those moral standards are still worth fighting for, since they form the basis of family and civilization. The acceptance of contraception started us on a decades long erosion of the family, which even now proceeds apace. I simply don’t see an obsession which has not been forced upon us. Do Catholics wish to throw in the towel on cultural collapse? I hope not.
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As for contraception, abortion, and gay marriage, I think that over the course of the last 20 years or more, the number of times I have heard homilies on those matters could be counted on one hand. In the normal course of parish life, I hardly hear them mentioned. The only place I really hear them discussed much is right here on CAF. That hardly seems an obsession.

The real obsession on these matters seems to be in the secular media which daily proclaim in every manner the gospel of gay marriage, ‘reproductive freedom,’ and contraception. The Church has been reactive in these matters, not pro-active. The time for obsession was back in the 1960’s. Now, the cause has pretty much been lost.

But those moral standards are still worth fighting for, since they form the basis of family and civilization. The acceptance of contraception started us on a decades long erosion of the family, which even now proceeds apace. I simply don’t see an obsession which has not been forced upon us. Do Catholics wish to throw in the towel on cultural collapse? I hope not.
I believe homilies are liturgically supposed to reflect of the readings of the day. The Bible apparently doesn’t mention those subjects.
 
That is where I see a disconnect. I can’t think of a Pope in recent times who has not emphasized mercy and forgiveness. Of course, if one seeks forgiveness, they must be aware that they need it to begin with.
There are many people that are very sorry for their sins but do not feel worthy of forgiveness. I knew one woman in a dire situation had an abortion and could simply not ask for anyone’s forgiveness, especially God’s. She knew she belonged in Hell. It took her over 20 years to find a priest, a Jesuit priest, who convinced her she was worth of God love and forgiveness.

I think that is why it is hard to hear some on here, not you, who are condemning and saying people are going to Hell over this or this. God knows what is in our heart and he knows when we are truly sorry and feel unworthy. Pope Francis is trying to remind people how much God loves them and wants to forgive them for any sin.
 
That’s called Burger King, have it your way, not Catholicism. 😃
Human beings have an innate capacity for the spiritual…this is sacred. Religious dogma is not sacred, it is an opinion that has evolved over time.
 
If the church evolves in its teachings, as it has done in the past, will you evolve with it?
The Church does not “evolve in its teachings”. Dogma is unchangeable and one Pope cannot contradict an earlier Pope on dogmatic (definitive) teachings. Pope’s cannot contradict Sacred Scripture, Sacred Tradition, or the already established teachings of the Magisterium.

The Church always remains faithful to the Truth, and Truth like God never changes.

The Church can and has changed certian practices and man made Church laws through the ages, but has never, and can never, change what has been revealed by God through Sacred Scripture, Sacred Tradition, and the Magisterium.

KNK
 
That hardly seems an obsession.
Vatican warns John Kerry not to take Holy Communion …
tldm.org/news6/vaticanwar…ion.htm‎

Bishop Would Deny Rite for Defiant Catholic Voters - NYTimes.com
nytimes.com/2004/05/14/na…op.html‎

19 arrested at Notre Dame protest against Obama -
[www.youtube.com/watch?v=uCSu(name removed by moderator)vBXU‎](www.youtube.com/watch?v=uCSu(name removed by moderator)vBXU‎)

Notre Dame, Catholic institutions sue Obama over contraception …
thehill.com/.../228585-washington-archdiocese-sues-administration-over

Biden, Pelosi Stir Controversy by Taking Communion - Ken Walsh’s …
www.usnews.com › News › Ken Walsh’s Washington‎

Etc. etc. etc. American Culture War. Republican/Catholic Obsession with Culture War hot topic issues. The aligning of religion and politics in a toxic way.
 
Rather, this all reminds me of the jealousy of the older son in the parable of the prodigal son, because the father goes out to meeting his returning son half way.
I’m just amazed at the lack of charity being demonstrated by those posing as charitable.

Well, I know I’m a million times as humble as thou art!
 
I cannot seek common ground with someone who thinks that some life is worth less than others.
Agreed, but you seem to suggest ( you did NOT state) that those babies dying through abortions are more important that the children dying of starvation or who are murdered. I don’t believe any life is worth more or less in God’s eyes just because of how they are killed or for what reason. Every child, or adult who dies is a child of God.
 
The Church does not “evolve in its teachings”. Dogma is unchangeable and one Pope cannot contradict an earlier Pope on dogmatic (definitive) teachings. Pope’s cannot contradict Sacred Scripture, Sacred Tradition, or the already established teachings of the Magisterium.

The Church always remains faithful to the Truth, and Truth like God never changes.

The Church can and has changed certian practices and man made Church laws through the ages, but has never, and can never, change what has been revealed by God through Sacred Scripture, Sacred Tradition, and the Magisterium.

KNK
And yet I say that the earth is round.
 
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