Pope congratulates Biden

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I’m not thrilled with a number of his positions.

I also don’t like that Pope Francis didn’t support Trump more on pro-life, probably because Pope Francis seems fixated on the idea of immigration and also doesn’t seem to understand it (or want to understand it) from a US perspective. Pope Francis has always seemed to me to be tone deaf to US concerns generally.

However, the Catholics who keep insisting Biden’s not Catholic and act like they have the authority to vote Biden off the Catholic island are equally annoying. And in some cases, not making logical sense.

I’m happy to sit in wait-and-see mode, but whether Joe Biden is President or not I don’t think anyone here is in a position to judge his personal Catholicism. His public positions, yes.
 
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MNathaniel said:
I hope actual power will give Biden pause. And I hope in that pause, in that silence, he will hear the voice of God and at least not do the things he’s publicly claimed he will do.
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Yeah, same, especially since the Four Last Things should be more in the forefront of his mind at his age. Unfortunately, even if he did change course on those immoral issues, they’d just 25th amendment him and drag him out in a straightjacket. But it would be a good witness (and good for his own soul, of course!).

But the fact that he came out of retirement for the very purpose of seeking these ends, when he could have stayed home going to daily Mass and spending time with his grandkids and wayward son doesn’t bode well…he also seems to have gotten more enthusiastic about abortion and against the freedom of the Church this time around than he used to be.
 
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If by good standing you mean not excommunicated then you have a low standard.
 
VanitasVanitatum said:
If by good standing you mean not excommunicated then you have a low standard.
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How do you know Biden doesn’t qualify in the eyes of his bishop and pastor as a “Catholic in good standing”?
Have you called them?

It amazes me how people seem to be able to know so much about the standing of a person they don’t know personally.
 
Tis_Bearself said:
How do you know Biden doesn’t qualify in the eyes of his bishop and pastor as a “Catholic in good standing”?
Have you called them?

It amazes me how people seem to be able to know so much about the standing of a person they don’t know personally.
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Biden makes his person known to us through his actions. We don’t live in a different universe from him. Sure we don’t know him as personally as his wife does, but then again his wife doesn’t know him as personally as God does. We’re all part of his community though and he makes himself known to us to the degree that he does, on purpose, and we cannot be asked to ignore what he makes known. He speaks into a microphone and stands in front of internationally broadcast TV cameras while doing it!

He goes out of his way to publicly communicate a pro-abortion activist message to people far away from him who don’t know him outside of such communications that he delivers. On purpose through mass media, he speaks directly to them. To us. Cameras aren’t shoved in his face, a public platform isn’t forced upon him, he seeks them out. He speaks with the intention of us hearing him.

And then he uses that public platform to speak in only one direction (that contradicts the Church’s teaching) and never uses that same platform to repent and say actually he has seen the error of his ways and he wants to undo whatever damage was done to innocent listeners (and their victims) by his initial messages.

If I had a boyfriend who punched me in the face repeatedly and never apologized to me, would you counsel me to shut up and assume he probably apologizes secretly to God in the confessional?

I sure hope not.

Biden owes us an apology and public repentance. Not just God. Biden’s actions are intentionally public and they specifically harm the public, so far in an ongoing way. He has not yet stopped punching us in the face. He owes the public, public repentance.

PS what’s happening to babies is worse than getting punched in the face.
 
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vz71 said:
Actually, is there any record of this call then Biden himself?
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The Director of the Holy See Press Office confirmed it.

www.vaticannews.va

Telephone conversation between Pope Francis and Joe Biden - Vatican News

The Director of the Holy See Press Office confirms the conversation took place. The call followed the congratulations offered by the Bishops of the ...
www.vaticannews.va www.vaticannews.va

The Catholic News Service is running the story.

https://www.catholicnews.com/pope-f...atulate-him-on-winning-presidential-election/

America, the Jesuit Review is running the story.

www.americamagazine.org

Joe Biden thanked Pope Francis for ‘extending blessings and congratulations’ this morning

President-elect Joe Biden, the second Catholic elected president of the United States, spoke this morning with Pope Francis, the latest world leader to congratulate Mr. Biden even as his opponent refuses to concede the election.
www.americamagazine.org www.americamagazine.org

The Catholic News Agency is also running it.

www.catholicnewsagency.com

Pope Francis congratulates Joe Biden on election victory in phone call

Presumptive President-elect Joe Biden spoke with Pope Francis on Thursday, his office has announced. The Catholic, former vice president, and presumptive next president was congratulated on his electoral victory by the pope on the morning of Nov. 12.
www.catholicnewsagency.com www.catholicnewsagency.com

As are National Catholic Register, CatholicPhilly, and others.

I think it’s safe to conclude that it happened.
 
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Maybe the Pope was surprised to find an American Catholic that didn’t think they were more Catholic than he was.
 
The need for so many to pronounce themselves good Catholics and others bad is curious. It makes the Church sound like a club and folks want to put up a velvet rope to keep others out and them in. The desire to do so is the weird part to me, regardless of someone’s else’s sins.
 
FrankFletcher said:
The need for so many to pronounce themselves good Catholics and others bad is curious. It makes the Church sound like a club and folks want to put up a velvet rope to keep others out and them in. The desire to do so is the weird part to me, regardless of someone’s else’s sins.
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I’m a bad Catholic. I’m not even sure I’m Catholic. I’m not even sure I’m baptized. I’m not even sure I want to be.

Why should that prevent me from noticing when a member of a religion that teaches against baby murder, promotes the expansion of baby murder?
 
FrankFletcher said:
The need for so many to pronounce themselves good Catholics and others bad is curious. It makes the Church sound like a club and folks want to put up a velvet rope to keep others out and them in. The desire to do so is the weird part to me, regardless of someone’s else’s sins.
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Oh I see that on both sides. Liberal Catholics do it just as much as conservatives.

The problem with Biden and Catholicism is that some would have us believe A is not A, A is actually Q. If the Church teaches x and someone does y, logically there is a conclusion to be drawn regardless of what those in power say. Power can’t make 2 + 2 = 5.
 
Go ahead and notice. Shouting that he’s “NOT A CATHOLIC IN GOOD STANDING!” as though doing so fulfills some need is the weird part to me.
 
Right, but does anyone actually think the Church supports abortion regardless of what Biden or any other politician does? I have a hard time believing that.
 
FrankFletcher said:
Go ahead and notice. Shouting that he’s “NOT A CATHOLIC IN GOOD STANDING!” as though doing so fulfills some need is the weird part to me.
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Have you ever heard of the word “scandal” and have you ever read Matthew 18:5-17
 
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FrankFletcher said:
Right, but does anyone actually think the Church supports abortion regardless of what Biden or any other politician does? I have a hard time believing that.
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Actually I’ve encountered more than one individual who is confused on that point. Non Catholics, that is. So it is giving scandal of a sort.
 
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