Pope Francis calls for civil union law for same-sex couples

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Just talked to my Priest, and he says, he is only recognizing the union, not the marriage. So that these people are not harassed and chastised and discriminated against.
 
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ioannes_pius said:
the aim of the documentary, it seems, was to discuss Pope Francis as a (private) person, not as head of the Universal Church.
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Indeed the director himself is a Russian Jew, in other words, he isn’t a Catholic. I must admit is has concerned me in the past that our Pope is so happy to do personal interviews with an atheist journalist (who doesn’t take notes and has been note to twist what the Pope said) and now allowed a documentary film to be made made about him by Egveny Akineevsky, who doesn’t have a great deal to do with Catholicism and is responsible for such titles as ‘Oy Vey! My Son Is Gay’ (feel free to look it up).

Back to what the Pope said, it is concerning, as the article indeed notes, that it going against what Benedict and John Paul II said before him on the subject.
 
But doesn’t it? Doesn’t it go against what Pope Francis earlier said and doesn’t it go against what Pope Benedict the XVI said? I think it does.
 
I think I’ll stick with the previous Popes on this issue, given one is a canonized saint and the other who is still probably the most brilliant living Catholic theologian. This is just a dumb opinion by our current Pope given that anywhere that “civil unions” are passed, it isn’t about giving legal benefits but an equivalent to marriage, with sexual acts assumed. And does anyone think this wouldn’t eventually lead to marriage anyway? From a strictly prudential point of view, this “compromise” is nothing short of surrender to the secular world.
 
BigBoom said:
What different or additional pastoral care do you believe homosexuals need than everyone else?
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Well, there’s no gainsaying or denying the fact that they’re living in a particular type active sin. If they’re going to be helped spiritually, it’s going to take specific pastoral care to help them recognize that, if they so choose.
 
My wife and I are very distraught over this news. My wife was almost crying in disappointment. We thought the Catholic church would be the last bastion of hope and common sense. .

We now have a pope who is calling for gay civil unions and gay families with children to be recognized, consequently opening the doors for more gay adoptions.

Does the pope not realize that secular society will not stop? That even this distressing gestor will not be good enough for them?

It’s fine to accept the sinner, but the Pope must also condemn the sin, and he is NOT doing that. He should not be calling for more sin to be accepted within society.

I guess we will probably not be going back to church when COVID ends. Thanks to the pope he has made returning even more difficult.

Cowards… all of them…
 
As St. Paul says:

6:9 You know perfectly well that people who do wrong will not inherit the kingdom of God: people of immoral lives, idolaters, adulterers, catamites, sodomites,

6:10 thieves, usurers, drunkards, slanderers and swindlers will never inherit the kingdom of God.

6:11 These are the sort of people some of you were once, but now you have been washed clean, and sanctified, and justified through the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and through the Spirit of our God.

Jerusalem Bible.
1 Corinthians 6 9-11
 
“What we have to create is a civil union law,” the pope continued. “That way they are legally covered. I stood up for that.”
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I just don’t know what to say.
 
True, perhaps I would be a coward for not returning, but I will not subject my family to inconsistent teachings and the acts of cowards. Will my pastor support this nonsense? It’s hard to say, but actions of church leaders have consequences.
 
LOL That was briefly discussed with my wife. Still, this is really hurtful for Catholics to hear this from their pope. It’s not easy.
 
Pastoral care and healing ministry is what Jesus would offer:

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From the CDF, and approved by Pope John Paul II in 2003:
Those who would move from tolerance to the legitimization of specific rights for cohabiting homosexual persons need to be reminded that the approval or legalization of evil is something far different from the toleration of evil.
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One must refrain from any kind of formal cooperation in the enactment or application of such gravely unjust laws and, as far as possible, from material cooperation on the level of their application. In this area, everyone can exercise the right to conscientious objection.
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https://www.vatican.va/roman_curia/...cfaith_doc_20030731_homosexual-unions_en.html
 
Already started. Here in Vermont, the noon news on CBS affiliate WCAX breathlessly announced, “Pope Francis has signified his support of civil unions.” Full stop.
 
No longer a sin of scandal if the Pope himself “called for the legalization of same-sex civil unions for the first time as pope, a shift from the Catholic Church’s longstanding doctrine on LGBTQ rights…”
 
Lifeisbeautiful3 said:
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JamesG:
My wife and I are very distraught over this news. My wife was almost crying in disappointment.
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I’m not gay and don’t spend time with many gay friends. But I’m not understanding the distress. How does the legitimacy of a gay couple hurt you?
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Because it contradicts prior Church teaching.
 
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Already started. Here in Vermont, the noon news on CBS affiliate WCAX breathlessly announced, “Pope Francis has signified his support of civil unions.” Full stop.
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Yes, the damage is already done in the secular media, and cannot be undone. This story is at the top of every major news feed in the world right now. At first, I was thinking a statement from the Vatican might clear things up, but let’s be realistic here, it probably wouldn’t, and if anything might make things worse. This is just another train wreck of a statement that will have to be ignored by faithful Catholics as much as possible, but that’s a difficult task given the implications of what he said. It pretty much has to be addressed by Catholic apologists as it conflicts directly with a prior CDF statement and implies supporting government endorsement of sin, whatever the Pope’s true intentions for making this statement.
 
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Boy this Pope never ceases to amaze. This man being pope is the #1 example of God working in mysterious ways.
 
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