Pope Francis calls for civil union law for same-sex couples

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Donkey said:
Pope Francis’ sway for same-sex couples in matters as revealed today does not help but serves to wrongly impress youth in the Church. I’m glad that I am not a parent of youngsters today.
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Exactly. Well said.
 
Donkey said:
I’m glad that I am not a parent of youngsters today.
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I’ve told my son that sometimes Priests, Bishops and even the Pope can be wrong…That they aren’t always good reflections of our Lord Jesus Christ.
 
Yep. I’ve seen that attitude even in RCIA classes. “Just plant a seed and they’ll find the right way.” People don’t work like that.
 
For what it’s worth, below is what he said in 2017, which received some similar headlines as approval, but which is more clear in the truth. As I mentioned earlier, in a vacuum a civil union is simply a construct of the state including certain rights and duties, and it can be constructed where none of those rights and duties are objectionable. The problem is they are almost always used as an end-around to provide public authority’s approval for unions including immoral sexual activity, which is why this is generating a firestorm in and outside the Church–pretty much everyone sees them the same way.

The problem this time is the Pope relates it to a “right to be in a family” (even if he is speaking in an imprecise sense), since the main issue with homosexual unions is that they are not ordered toward the family. It also implies a civil action or construct creates a family, when the actual family precedes civil society.

Anyway, here is the 2017 interview:
Pope Francis: What can we think of marriage between people of the same sex? “Matrimony” is a historical word. Always, in humanity, and not just in the Church, it was a man and a woman. It’s not possible to change it just like that […] It’s not possible to change it. It is part of nature. That’s how it is. Let us call it, then, “civil unions.” Let us not play with truths.

It’s true that behind all this we find gender ideology. In books, kids learn that it’s possible to change one’s sex. Could gender, to be a woman or to be a man, be an option and not a fact of nature? This leads to this error.

Let us call things by their names. Matrimony is between a man and a woman. This is the precise term. Let us call the same-sex union a “civil union.”
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Pope Francis on celibacy, child abusers, same-sex unions, secularism, and traditionalists
 
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However, we have the Holy Spirit protecting the Church in the BIG matters declared in doctrine and faith. . . . . We trust in and know the Trinity isn’t going to let Francis . . . lead . . the Church . . . into formal error.

The sad thing is that Francis . . . may lead many souls . . . astray.

We should all pray for Pope Francis . . . .

Let it be said that . . . I fully recognize him as the Vicar of Christ…but . . . in this media age, . . . we need great examples in the Papacy.

https://forums.catholic-questions.org/t/pope-francis-calls-for-civil-union- law-for-same-sex-couples/630702/104?u=toledo

That’s the right way to do it. Man may do evil, but not the Bride of Christ.
 
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Disclaimer: I do not support the Pope’s position nor this priest’s. However, for those who may be confused about the Pope’s position… this priest seems to make it clear:(Please Note: This uploaded content is no longer available.)
 
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Amidst all the usual noise thanks for your usual level headed analysis.

My reading of this is that when you boil it down, civil unions are state matters. Church teaching is clear. Pope Francis is simply stating what is true of the state… Sure, he confuses things with talk of “family” but the usual sensationalists have a frenzy…
 
Peebo said:
Amazing how the anti-Pope Francis bunch come out of the woodwork any time they can find something to knock him, maybe they should start up their own anti Pope Francis website, they certainly don’t have any respect for the Vicar of Christ.
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I have the right as a baptized Catholic to be instructed properly about the faith (Code of Canon Law 217).

If Pope Francis says something that is seemingly contradictory to prior magisterial teaching (calling for same sex unions does this), then he has the responsibility to explain to the faithful how what he said does not conflict OR he needs to retract it.

When people rightly and justly show great concern in this regards, it does not make them anti-Pope Francis, it makes them pro-truth.
 
SantaFe said:
I can’t imagine living in fear just for being yourself.
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No gays in Poland are living in fear. Not having the right to marry doesn’t cause one to live in hear. Don’t believe whatever mainstream media is feeding you this nonsense.

Amen.
 
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