Pope Francis calls for civil union law for same-sex couples

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I don’t know anyone who has been refused pastoral care Re:their sexuality? This Pope, or the media caricature of him, confuses and perturbs me
 
Lifeisbeautiful3 said:
I get it. But “almost crying in disappointment”? That feels excessive.
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Given that the Church is the only institution on earth that is commissioned with the responsibility of preaching law and gospel for the purpose of saving souls, I don’t think that is excessive at all. We shouldn’t react with “Meh” when the gospel is perverted out of fear that we will be unpopular with the culture.
 
SaintJude said:
I don’t know anyone who has been refused pastoral care Re:their sexuality?
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It’s a matter of making that pastoral care inviting. Also, we can’t stop people living together who choose to, no matter what; and those people SHOULD have some legal protections for things like rights of visitation and passing on inheritance and whatever else.
SaintJude said:
This Pope, or the media caricature of him, confuses and perturbs me
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Then avoid the media. Just pray, love others and do what you already as a devout Catholic every day. The media itself is just out to wreck your faith, more often than not; ignore it. Tune it out, and let it go. Get back to living. God sees EVERYTHING, and He won’t leave us, no matter what.
 
Hodos said:
We shouldn’t react with “Meh” when the gospel is perverted out of fear that we will be unpopular with the culture.
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The Gospel isn’t being perverted. There are some overreactions happening here, and people need to step back, take a breath and get a grip. Less media, less Internet, more living the day in the Now.
 
Raxus said:
The Gospel isn’t being perverted.
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When you minimize sin to be acceptable and even advocated as moral, you have perverted the gospel. Read Paul’s first 2 and a half chapters of Romans. Ask yourself if Paul would advocate the stance Pope Francis did.
 
I don’t know if I’m understanding what Pope Francis said correctly or not but I strongly disapprove of civil unions for same-sex couples. The church should not approve of it either. It’s obvious that such unions would involve gravely sinful sexual activity and the Church should never condone something that would involve something like that.
 
Thank you for this.

Yes, can we post links to the reactions of cardinals and bishops if we find them. I care more about their responses to this than media personalities and even Catholic apologists.
 
He’s a funny guy isn’t he. As are his America magazine ‘journalists’. Funny I saw one of these so called Catholic journalists, I can’t remember if they write for America Magazine or the National Catholic Reporter, tweeting about how important what the Pope said and how it shouldn’t be underestimated. James Martin did the same. These guys spend so much time trying to bend every Church teaching, Bible passage and comment from cardinals, bishops and previous Popes when it doesn’t suit their gay agenda, but when they get one sentence from a Pope in a documentary, they’re going to spend days going on about how important this is.
 
DaddyGirl2 said:
How is it a “surrender” to the “secular world” when he’s talking about the secular world?
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So if he said ‘gays have a right to happiness and while the Catholic Church should not be marrying gay couples, if they wish to get married by the state, good luck to them’, would that be okay too?
 
Yeah, that’s not a bad statement, it’s decent, but it’s not a great either. It’s pretty much what I expected though - say that Church teaching didn’t change, but avoid the hard part about legalizing civil unions and how that contradicts previous CDF guidance. I imagine the vast majority will be like this one. But it’s pretty sad that statements like these even have to be released by bishops in response to something the Pope said.
 
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As a non-Catholic and a non-religious person in general, it may sound fine to you but to a Catholic that shouldn’t be acceptable.

If something is considered sinful by the Church, the head of that Church should not be saying ‘yeah go ahead and do it if it makes you happy’ even if the Church might not officially ever recognise it.

That is also my response to the comments saying this isn’t the Church’s official stance and that the Pope never indicated that this would be Church teaching.
 
Another problematic statement by the current pope. He is causing confusion within the church. What is the difference between marriage and a civil union?

Back shortly after he was elected, he made some comments In an interview about marriage and those who were unmarried but had been living as if they were married for a long time. His point was that there wasn’t a difference between the two. The implication was that a sacrament is just a symbol without any essence.

The statements about civil unions just adds more information as to what he believes, and it isn’t comforting that it is the pope who believes these things.
 
Genesis315 said:
The problem this time is the Pope relates it to a “right to be in a family” (even if he is speaking in an imprecise sense), since the main issue with homosexual unions is that they are not ordered toward the family. It also implies a civil action or construct creates a family, when the actual family precedes civil society.
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So it appears the Pope clarified this part a while back (his words about the family were from an older interview). The family part was not in relation to the civil unions it seems. My bolding:
They asked me a question on a flight - later it made me angry, it made me angry because of how the media transmitted it - about the family integration of people with homosexual orientation, and I said: homosexual people have the right to be in the family, people with a homosexual orientation have the right to be in the family and parents have the right to recognize that son as homosexual, that daughter as homosexual. You can not throw anyone out of the family or make life impossible for that …

Another thing is - I said - when you see some signs in the boys who are growing up and send them there … I should have said ‘professional’, it came out ‘psychiatrist’. I wanted to say a professional because sometimes there are signs in adolescence or pre-adolescence that do not know if they are of a homosexual tendency or is that the thymus gland did not atrophy in time, who knows, a thousand things, right? Then a professional. Title of that newspaper: “The Pope sends homosexuals to the psychiatrist.” Is not true! They asked me that same question again and I repeated it: ‘They are children of God, they have the right to a family, and such. "Another thing is … And I explained: I was wrong in that word, but I wanted to say this.’ When they notice something ra…. ’ “Ah it’s weird …” No, it’s not weird. Something that is out of the ordinary. I mean, don’t take a little word to cancel the context. There, what he says is ‘you have the right to a family’. And that does not mean to approve of homosexual acts, far from it.
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I just ran the Spanish through the translator:

 
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Why would or should he even make a comment about secular politics? He isn’t pope of the world. He is the head of the Catholic Church, and as such he is to represent catholic doctrine.
 
Feanor2 said:
I’ve always supported the same sex civil unions idea.
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As have I, for the legal reasons that I’m sure have been discussed to death in the posts below yours, which I haven’t read. Just don’t call them what they aren’t (marriages), and don’t require participation by religious institutions that don’t want to participate.

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