Pope Francis calls for civil union law for same-sex couples

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I mean I get that “well hes probably mistranslated and we dont have the whole quote etc etc etc” but like, this pope is mistranslated and misquoted constantly. i feel like any responsible person would find totally new groups of people to do interviews with. because somehow previous popes managed to avoid committing huge sins of scandal by misspeaking like once every few months.
 
Catholic faith believes that homosexuality is a life long struggle for those who identify as such. We believe they are not to engage in any sexual or romantic acts with someone of the same sex, but companions of the same sex which live together as brother and brother or sister and sister are nothing to be worried about. As long as they restrain themselves from sexual immorality they are most definitely deserving of companionship, like everyone else who struggles with sin. That is my take on this any way. I could be wrong. But, I fear this will blow up in the face of the Church so to speak. Like most everything the Church does the world will twist it to fit their own narrative instead of seeing it for what it is. My heart aches for the Church and what those who believe have to deal with.
 
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It is going to be, if anything, another for the ‘dubia’. Again, I do not in any way point a finger at Pope Francis. While I may not understand or think his words or actions at various points throughout his pontificate have been clarified at least to my own understanding, I also think that many, in the media and elsewhere, have had their fingers in the pie seeking to obfuscate what is said or done, as well as perhaps slanting or outright lying to the Pope himself and attempting to direct him into actions which they claim are in his and ‘the faithful’s best interests but which are emphatically NOT helpful.
 
Weserthy said:
what does this say about traditionally Catholic countries that don’t have any kind of gay marriage or recognition of civil unions for them?
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Look closely at the way Pope Francis is paving ground in the Muslim world, he is ‘cushioning’ the passage for the influential gays in a globalist world…because I have a hard time believing that anyone really cares about what anyone one is doing in the privacy of a bedroom in an ordinary home anymore. The stance that Muslims have about same sex attraction is clear.

Overall, Pope Francis’ actions and words continue to move in the direction of a homogeneous globalized world. Pope Francis stands out as very different compared to Pope Benedict XVI.

(I’m 100% sure there is and always was a fringe of Islamic men in the closet.). Look at the whole picture…not just a piece of the puzzle.
 
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“Homosexuals have a right to be a part of the family. They’re children of God and have a right to a family. Nobody should be thrown out, or be made miserable because of it,” Pope Francis said in the film, of his approach to pastoral care.

After those remarks, and in comments likely to spark controversy among Catholics, Pope Francis weighed in directly on the issue of civil unions for same-sex couples.

“What we have to create is a civil union law. That way they are legally covered,” the pope said. “I stood up for that.”
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The more I read this, the more I find it concerning and the less the definition of what the Pope might view as a same-sex union seems to matter, even if it involves caveats such as remaining celibate and not being allowed to adopt children.

If the Pope did indeed talk about creating a civil union law so ‘they’ are legally covered, right after talking about homosexuals, that would suggest he was directly referring to civil union laws for homosexual couples. I don’t see ‘same-sex couples’ mentioned in a direct quote from the Pope though, but if CNA isn’t being dishonest and he literally went into the idea of allowing civil unions right after talking about homosexuality, then he’s basically recognising gay relationships as okay, and given that even homosexual attraction is intrinsically disordered, even if not a sin in itself, a gay relationship of any kind being legitimised by the Pope isn’t going to do this whole problem any good.
 
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Just talked to my Priest, and he says, he is only recognizing the union, not the marriage.
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Can you elaborate the difference between a union and a marriage, particularly given Genesis 2:18-24? And why would the Church not only recognize but advocate for such a rite?
 
Props to St. Francis again for showing wisdom and most of all EMPATHY towards same-sex couples. We’re all brothers and sisters on this little blue dot and EVERYONE deserves the right to life, love and pursuit of happiness. As stated ad nauseum before, NO ONE is forcing any church to perform same sex marriages, but they should absolutely be able to get married and adopt in a secular society regardless of what certain religions believe. I hope Poland is listening loud and clear and those archaic hateful laws will be repealed asap. I can’t imagine living in fear just for being yourself.
 
Lifeisbeautiful3 said:
I’m not gay and don’t spend time with many gay friends. But I’m not understanding the distress. How does the legitimacy of a gay couple hurt you?
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I am not concerned with what the civic realm that rejects Christ as Lord does. I AM however concerned with what the Church proclaims and teaches about sin. God has identified homosexual behavior as sinful, and therefore it is a threat with regard to one’s salvation. Having the head of the Church advocate what God has defined as sinful as something good, right, and salutary, has the effect of leading people to not repent of sin. That should be quite distressing if you care about the salvation of souls.
 
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Hodos said:
Can you elaborate the difference between a union and a marriage, particularly given Genesis 2:18-24? And why would the Church not only recognize but advocate for such a rite?
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No I will not elaborate on what my Priest said. I just took his word. He did not seem to worried by it. I am sure he will elaborate on it on Saturday and Sunday Masses and I am sure the Bishop(s) will also.
 
RidgeSprinter said:
No I will not elaborate on what my Priest said. I just took his word. He did not seem to worried by it. I am sure he will elaborate on it on Saturday and Sunday Masses and I am sure the Bishop(s) will also.
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I look forward to hearing their explanation.
 
Amazing how the anti-Pope Francis bunch come out of the woodwork any time they can find something to knock him, maybe they should start up their own anti Pope Francis website, they certainly don’t have any respect for the Vicar of Christ.
 
You are accusing. I don’t see one person knocking Vicar of Christ.
Comments like this are meant to flatten the conversation.
 
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As someone with SSA I’d like to say how utterly disappointed I am with the Pope saying such a thing. I realize it wasn’t recent but nonetheless he said it. And to whoever is arguing union doesn’t mean sex, I have nothing but an lol to that.
 
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That should be quite distressing if you care about the salvation of souls.
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I get it. But “almost crying in disappointment”? That feels excessive.
 
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I don’t think even the best apologists can really explain this one away or sew it into orthodoxy.

At this point an apologist should point out the Pope’s error in a charitable manner and redirect the faithful to the Church’s longstanding teachings through Scripture, History, Tradition, Magisterial Teaching through the Dogmas, Councils, Catechisms and various Church Documents.

I think the error that a lot of apologists made going back to 2014 Synod of the Family, 2016 Amoris Laetitia, and Pachamamma is they tried really hard to explain away what happened instead of addressing what happened was wrong was an error and what the Church actually teaches.

That’s really the only way this can be approached.

If you have to decode what the Pope says to try to rationalize it then I think that’s just too much of a stretch.
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I totally agree - and I watched the Matt Fradd video that someone posted in this thread (or the other one) and he basically said what you did - apologists, and especially priests and bishops with a platform need to speak out about this and clarify the Church’s teaching in response to what Pope Francis said, and why his comments are problematic. He didn’t try to explain it away, or rationalize it. On the other hand, a couple of other apologists are already going into defensive mode, trying their hardest to square this away with Church teaching and past statements by the Church on civil unions. I’ve come to accept in the last few years that Pope Francis could perform a satanic ritual in the Vatican complete with human sacrifice and some people will still find some way to defend him for it. The scales have fallen away from some eyes, however. My attention will mainly be on the bishops that choose to address this. I think many will intentionally avoid it to avoid criticizing him, but others with less to lose will probably be more forthright with their thoughts.
 
I think what is so frustrating is that this was said in a very ambiguous way and was not clarified as it should have been. There are so many denominations that think the Pope and the Catholic Church are the anti-Christ and this will just add fuel to their fire and drive away many would be converts. I feel like such a sensitive topic should have been spoken about very directly and the meaning should have been emphasized clearly to reflect what the Catholic Church itself believes.
 

Looking at this sort of group helps one to understand the direction. I was once told that if enough Catholics are ‘doing something’ then it will become true in the Church. That was the thought in my diocese when women and lay people were allowed to give the homily during Mass. The incoming bishop stopped that so the women and lay people that were giving homilies formed a website to share homilies. Dissidents don’t disappear…they form a new way…same goal.
What Catholic gays want is a fullness that only a man and woman in a sacramental marriage can have. Catholic gays want nothing less than this. This will never happen.
Pope Francis’ sway for same-sex couples in matters as revealed today does not help but serves to wrongly impress youth in the Church. I’m glad that I am not a parent of youngsters today.
 
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