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Mimi
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Welcome, Tony!
Wisdom is a gift of the Holy Spirit. I think you put it quite well in your last two paragraphs.
Peace,
Mimi
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Wisdom is a gift of the Holy Spirit. I think you put it quite well in your last two paragraphs.
Peace,
Mimi
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Mimi
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Yes, I started reading some of those on the CBS site, and it was hard to realize how vitriolic some people can be when they can be anonymous! And I betcha many of those who said mean things would say they are ‘tolerant’ if you asked them to their face (in person).
Tolerant, schmolerant. I think it’s high time we Catholics exert some “militancy”; we are, after all, the Church Militant here on earth. And by that I mean defend Holy Mother Church en masse with words (letters to editors and acquaintances), public Prayer, processionals and anything else the Church offers as a peaceable means of demonstration.
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God Bless Pope B16!!!
Mimi
(and pray, esp. the Rosary!)
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Qwikness
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You said it, I responded and not on the Defense either. I’m tired of that. They don’t listen and you can’t address every lie.
I betcha many of those who said mean things would say they are ‘tolerant’ if you asked them to their face (in person)
I made Bold Statements like: We found the Truth, Come and See.
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estesbob
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Really? Roland, who claims to have been a Catholic says this:
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Now this man claims the Church contradicts scripture but as is usually the case with those who adhere to Sola Scriptura he takes all Scripture Literal except for those passages that affirm Catholic Doctrine.
So lets deconstruct this paragraph:
The Catholic Church does not "own " Jesus. The Church and Christ are on and the same. You can not separate Christ from the Church he founded.
So lets see what he is really saying:
*This is nothing but a naked attempt by Jesus Christ to attempt to “own” Jesus *
Next he says:
Jesus himself said Peter was the leader of the Church he founded. Still another example of those who adhere to Sola Scriptura ignoring the clear meaning of Scripture when it affirms Catholic Doctrine.
He goes on:
So why did Jesus found a Church? What does all that stuff about “keys to the kingdom” and “gates of hell” not prevailing"?
The only way he can come up with a concept of an mystical Church consisting of everyone who professes to believe in Christ is to ignore the first 1,500 years of the History of the Church Jesus founded.
And finally:
The great commission is being carried out by his Church-which is the way he wanted it,
So basically we have a man who is profoundly ignorant of the Church he claims to have belonged to criticizing the Vicar of Christ based his flawed personal interpretation of Scripture.
I am at a loss as t why you would agree with this.
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estesbob
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I wonder if they would allow posts that attacked Blacks, homosexuals or any other groups in the same manner they allow vicious attacks on the pope and the Catholic Church.
Yes, I started reading some of those on the CBS site, and it was hard to realize how vitriolic some people can be when they can be anonymous! And I betcha many of those who said mean things would say they are ‘tolerant’ if you asked them to their face (in person).
Tolerant, schmolerant. I think it’s high time we Catholics exert some “militancy”; we are, after all, the Church Militant here on earth. And by that I mean defend Holy Mother Church en masse with words (letters to editors and acquaintances), public Prayer, processionals and anything else the Church offers as a peaceable means of demonstration.
:knight2:
God Bless Pope B16!!!
Mimi
(and pray, esp. the Rosary!)
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christcnection1
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They are just making the other cheek jealous.
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agp2176
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To begin with – a sincere thank you and God Bless You to all who welcomes me after my first post.
Now – onward to business.
Give a gander at this commentary posted on CNN’s website
cnn.com/2007/US/07/13/martin/index.html
Quick – go read it please … I’ll wait
Okay – you’re back. First thing is disappointment that CNN would publish such a hate-filled commentary. Can you imagine the outrage if CNN published such an article about Jews or Muslims, or – I know, what if we changed all the words in the article so that they reflected the the opinions of an ex-gay about gay community. Catholic-bashing and Pope-bashing is a sport!
It hardly seems constructive to come from a position indicated by the statement “Just chalk it up to an old man trying to get a little attention.”
Mr Morrison states: “I’ve really only known the Bible for the last 13 of my 38 years. That’s because those first 25 years were spent as a die-hard Catholic.”
I challenge Mr Morrison on that because for him to write the sentence “For him (the Pope) to even suggest that only the Catholic Church can provide true salvation to believers in Christ shows that he is wholly ignorant of the Scriptures that I have known all my life.” This statement is quite simply a perfect illustration of the ‘defects’ in theology of which our Holy Father writes. To utilise Biblical interpretation, based upon the KJV or other Protestant permutations, to counter a Roman Catholic Christian concept is like using a saw with broken teeth to cut wood.
The vitriol in his tone further shows the depth of the wound caused by the his own personal separation. The author tries to blame the Catholic Church for his own personal wound, yet fails to see that he is the one would made the incision cutting himself off from the Church, not any Catholic.
This man surely needs our prayers
In Christ’s Peace
Tony
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Now – onward to business.
Give a gander at this commentary posted on CNN’s website
cnn.com/2007/US/07/13/martin/index.html
Quick – go read it please … I’ll wait
Okay – you’re back. First thing is disappointment that CNN would publish such a hate-filled commentary. Can you imagine the outrage if CNN published such an article about Jews or Muslims, or – I know, what if we changed all the words in the article so that they reflected the the opinions of an ex-gay about gay community. Catholic-bashing and Pope-bashing is a sport!
It hardly seems constructive to come from a position indicated by the statement “Just chalk it up to an old man trying to get a little attention.”
Mr Morrison states: “I’ve really only known the Bible for the last 13 of my 38 years. That’s because those first 25 years were spent as a die-hard Catholic.”
I challenge Mr Morrison on that because for him to write the sentence “For him (the Pope) to even suggest that only the Catholic Church can provide true salvation to believers in Christ shows that he is wholly ignorant of the Scriptures that I have known all my life.” This statement is quite simply a perfect illustration of the ‘defects’ in theology of which our Holy Father writes. To utilise Biblical interpretation, based upon the KJV or other Protestant permutations, to counter a Roman Catholic Christian concept is like using a saw with broken teeth to cut wood.
The vitriol in his tone further shows the depth of the wound caused by the his own personal separation. The author tries to blame the Catholic Church for his own personal wound, yet fails to see that he is the one would made the incision cutting himself off from the Church, not any Catholic.
This man surely needs our prayers
In Christ’s Peace
Tony
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Mimi
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Maybe this can be of some use to those who are being inundated with questions regarding the Pope’s recent announcement that has been in the news this wk.
I was doing some research on past shows of The Journey Home and found the first show listed is titled What is the Church?
ewtn.com/vondemand/audio/seriessearchprog.asp?pgnu=15&SeriesID=-6892289
Date: 9/5/1997
Guest: Dr. Thomas Howard
You can listen to this show via your computer or download it to your files.
God bless all who may be feeling stressed – may you be blessed for defending Holy Mother Church.
Mimi
I was doing some research on past shows of The Journey Home and found the first show listed is titled What is the Church?
ewtn.com/vondemand/audio/seriessearchprog.asp?pgnu=15&SeriesID=-6892289
Date: 9/5/1997
Guest: Dr. Thomas Howard
You can listen to this show via your computer or download it to your files.
God bless all who may be feeling stressed – may you be blessed for defending Holy Mother Church.
Mimi
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Milliardo
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It would be nice if we could post our own opinions on CNN regarding that commentary, and perhaps even direct Morrison and others there towards the discussions here in CAF, and have them see what Catholics think about it, as well as to correct this misrepresentation of what was said by media.
As an aside, I am not sure if this “uproar” is more prominent in Protestant countries. Here where I am, we’re predominantly Catholic, and although there is some media coverage of it, it’s hardly news to us. Probably because most are Catholics and we’ve known that the Church has taught that all the time.
As an aside, I am not sure if this “uproar” is more prominent in Protestant countries. Here where I am, we’re predominantly Catholic, and although there is some media coverage of it, it’s hardly news to us. Probably because most are Catholics and we’ve known that the Church has taught that all the time.
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Cyrus
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I found nothing new or profound in the recent statement. The Holy Father has simply restated a 2,000 year old truth. 
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ElKabong61
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VERY HELPFUL!!! I just got an email from a very well-read evangelical who found the Pope’s clarification more than a little offensive. This was perfect to send his way. I pray he will be open to listen to it!
I just got an email from a very well-read evangelical who found the Pope’s clarification more than a little offensive. This was perfect to send his way. I pray he will be open to listen to it!
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christcnection1
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I tend to think this entire issue is a giant headache in the short run, but will ultimately be a blessing and victory in the long run.
This is frequently how God operates through difficult issues. Perhaps after our separated brethren come to realize their misunderstandings, they will be more open to exploring other “Catholic” issues.
I hope CA comes out with an article surrounding this specific issue.
This is frequently how God operates through difficult issues. Perhaps after our separated brethren come to realize their misunderstandings, they will be more open to exploring other “Catholic” issues.
I hope CA comes out with an article surrounding this specific issue.
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bobzills
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Similar things have been declared before. For example here is a quote from UNAM SANCTAMI found nothing new or profound in the recent statement. The Holy Father has simply restated a 2,000 year old truth.
Bull of Pope Boniface VIII promulgated November 18, 1302
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“Furthermore, we declare, we proclaim, we define that it is absolutely necessary for salvation that every human creature be subject to the Roman Pontiff.”
or another similar declaration:
Pope Eugene IV, Council of Florence, “Cantate Domino,” 1441:“The Holy Roman Church firmly believes, professes and preaches that all those who are outside the Catholic Church, not only pagans but also Jews or heretics and schismatics, cannot share in eternal life and will go into the everlasting fire which was prepared for the devil and his angels, unless they are joined to the Church before the end of their lives; that the unity of this ecclesiastical body is of such importance that only those who abide in it do the Church’s sacraments contribute to salvation and do fasts, almsgiving and other works of piety and practices of the Christian militia productive of eternal rewards; and that nobody can be saved, no matter how much he has given away in alms and even if he has shed blood in the name of Christ, unless he has persevered in the bosom and unity of the Catholic Church.”
BTW, to read the second quote in context, please see:
ewtn.com/library/COUNCILS/FLORENCE.HTM#5
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estesbob
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Supirse suprise-we’re back to the council of Florence again of course you have been refuted on this at least a half dozen times but you continue to post it as if if you post it enough times people will accept you erroneous “personal” imterperation of it.
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Gardening_Mommy
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It’s always sad to hear ex-Catholics talking about the Church; I haven’t met one yet who hasn’t engaged in some serious Catholic-bashing, especially those who find themselves a media outlet.
The converts TO Catholicism, on the other hand, always seem to say wonderful, charitable things about the good parts of their previous denominations.
The good news is that I think this nastiness may influence some to think about the differences between those coming into the Church and those leaving.
The converts TO Catholicism, on the other hand, always seem to say wonderful, charitable things about the good parts of their previous denominations.
The good news is that I think this nastiness may influence some to think about the differences between those coming into the Church and those leaving.
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Nordar
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When I read that “The Pope just needs attention” I’m sorry but I started to laugh!When I first read it, I thought it had been written by Roland & Martin.
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bobzills
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I gave direct quotes from papal documents without any commentary or personal interpretation. This was a simple reply to Cyrus who said: “I found nothing new or profound in the recent statement. The Holy Father has simply restated a 2,000 year old truth.”
Further I gave a link where you could read the second quote in context.
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vern_humphrey
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When you read a polemic like that, it tells you more about the writer’s psychological problems than about the person he’s attacking.
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christcnection1
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I believe that’s generally true; however, there may be some exceptions…
Generally, converts to the Catholic faith do so based on good information, not because they were convinced that Protestantism was demonic or some sort of deception. They do it for positive reasons.
Catholics that convert to Protestantism generally do this based on bad information about Catholicism. They were probably told by a Protestant group that they have been lied to, deceived, or were under some demonic influence. They chose to convert based on negative reasons.
Again, there are always exceptions to the rule, but most of the time Catholics convert the Protestant’s “cream of the crop,” whereas the Protestants convert the Catholic’s “sour milk.”
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