Pope set to bring back Latin Mass in face of opposition (May 14 article from TimesOnline)

[japhy]

I need to start learning my prayers in Latin…

The Compendium of the Catechism has an appendix full of common prayers in English and Latin. I’ve linked to the Vatican’s online version. It’s so very helpful. I’m currently transcribing a copy of Night Prayer (from the Liturgy of the Hours) into Latin, based on the Biblia Nova Vulgata and the Compendium.

 

[BobP123]

Loss of Episcopal power? Got me on that one…
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I was referring to the attempts made to excommunicate traditionalists by the bishops only to be overturned (and perhaps humilated) by Rome.

 

[BobP123]

I converted in 2005. I fell in love with the 1962 rite of Mass the first time I saw it, consequently before my conversion. I would hope that more would experience the Mass the way I did. Besides, I did not leave a fundamentalist background for another seemingly protestant community, but the Holy Roman Catholic Church.

 

[rwoehmke]

I was referring to the attempts made to excommunicate traditionalists by the bishops only to be overturned (and perhaps humilated) by Rome.

How would bringing back the LTM to more parishes lead to excommuncated traditionalists? Did I miss something?

 

[BobP123]

How would bringing back the LTM to more parishes lead to excommuncated traditionalists? Did I miss something?

Now you got me confused. I thought I had a slam-dunk. Ok, let’s put it this way: if you were bishop wouldn’t you still want to control what’s going on in your diocese without interference from Rome? Or perhaps you have heard that the Motu Proprio would give the bishop more control and make him happier? If so, I withdraw my claim.

 

[KeithL]

I converted in 2005. I fell in love with the 1962 rite of Mass the first time I saw it, consequently before my conversion. I would hope that more would experience the Mass the way I did. Besides, I did not leave a fundamentalist background for another seemingly protestant community, but the Holy Roman Catholic Church.

Amen…If I wanted a Protestant service I would attend a protestant church.

 

[KeithL]

The Compendium of the Catechism has an appendix full of common prayers in English and Latin. I’ve linked to the Vatican’s online version. It’s so very helpful. I’m currently transcribing a copy of Night Prayer (from the Liturgy of the Hours) into Latin, based on the Biblia Nova Vulgata and the Compendium.

Thanks I’ll check it out…
Sounds like fun lol

 

[mommyof4]

I love the TLM even though I don’t know Latin but let’s not alienate the new Catholics by doing away with the Novus Ordo. Personally I believe there should be some balance in between the two.

Yep, I agree.

 

[ReConverted]

Seeing things like this is so depressing to me What are our Bishops and Priests doing?

Pope St Pius X warned about this madness 100 years ago in a brilliant encyclical:

PASCENDI DOMINICI GREGIS

*ENCYCLICAL OF POPE PIUS X

ON THE DOCTRINES OF THE MODERNISTS*

Link here: vatican.va/holy_father/pius_x/encyclicals/documents/hf_p-x_enc_19070908_pascendi-dominici-gregis_en.html

 

[mgrobertson79]

Pope St Pius X warned about this madness 100 years ago in a brilliant encyclical:

PASCENDI DOMINICI GREGIS

*ENCYCLICAL OF POPE PIUS X

ON THE DOCTRINES OF THE MODERNISTS*

Link here: vatican.va/holy_father/pius_x/encyclicals/documents/hf_p-x_enc_19070908_pascendi-dominici-gregis_en.html

Pope St. Pius X, ora pro nobis

 

[ReConverted]

Pope St. Pius X, ora pro nobis

AMEN!!!

 

[lak611]

I love the TLM even though I don’t know Latin but let’s not alienate the new Catholics by doing away with the Novus Ordo. Personally I believe there should be some balance in between the two.

The Motu Proprio is not going to eliminate the NO.

 

[paramedicgirl]

The Motu Proprio is not going to eliminate the NO.

No, but hopefully it will act as a catalyst that will inspire the liturgy of Novus Ordo to be the reverent Mass it is intended to be.

 

[Unitas]

No, but hopefully it will act as a catalyst that will inspire the liturgy of Novus Ordo to be the reverent Mass it is intended to be.

PMG is quite right, nothing exists in a vacuum, so the more liberalized use of the TLM will inevitably influence aspects of the new mass.

Perhaps this influence will give it more of an organic link which even Benedict XVI admits it is lacking.

 

[Chancellare]

Opposition to Latin Mass? Care to identify what are the valid reasons to oppose Latin Mass?

 

[BobP123]

Opposition to Latin Mass? Care to identify what are the valid reasons to oppose Latin Mass?

Tee-el-emobia?

 

[Aramis]

Opposition to Latin Mass? Care to identify what are the valid reasons to oppose Latin Mass?

For me, I have no problem with the 1962 missal’s form and rubrics only with Latin.

Latin is a bar to comprehension. It is a hurdle which sets participation to a minimum. Rote prayer (without comprehension) is banned in the bible; removing the vernacular turns it into “vain repetition.”

 

[Brendan]

For me, I have no problem with the 1962 missal’s form and rubrics only with Latin.

Latin is a bar to comprehension. It is a hurdle which sets participation to a minimum. Rote prayer (without comprehension) is banned in the bible;** removing the vernacular turns it into “vain repetition.”**

So are you claiming that the Mass in Latin was, for centuries, a sinful practice??

That the Church promulgated sin as a matter of Faith???

There are parishes local to me that offer Masses in Vietnamese and Polish. If I assisted at those Masses, do you claim that I would be guilty of ‘vain repetition’, as I don’t speak either Vietnamese or Polish?

 

[palmas85]

For me, I have no problem with the 1962 missal’s form and rubrics only with Latin.

Latin is a bar to comprehension. It is a hurdle which sets participation to a minimum. Rote prayer (without comprehension) is banned in the bible; removing the vernacular turns it into “vain repetition.”

So I attend mass in Germany, and if I don’t speak German, then the mass in German would be a bar to comprehension? I don’t really think your logic works very well.

When the mass was in Latin I will guarantee you that people knew exactly what was going on, probably to a greater degre than today because we were taught about the faith. It seems that today many if not most CCD programs teach little more than lukewarm platitudes about social justice and precious little about the faith itself.

 

[burnside]

For me, I have no problem with the 1962 missal’s form and rubrics only with Latin.

Latin is a bar to comprehension. It is a hurdle which sets participation to a minimum. Rote prayer (without comprehension) is banned in the bible; removing the vernacular turns it into “vain repetition.”

I agree.
In a previous discussion about this issue,someone disputed the fact that Latin was not understood as our missals had Latin on the one page and English on the opposite page.My
reply,(which was ignored)was that in a poor district a lot of people
did not possess a missal.They were physically present in the
church building but i think their mind was elsewhere.When i hear talk about attendance at Mass being low compared to yesteryear,
i think about how attendance at weekday Mass is as good,if not better,than it was in the 1950’s.There were more attended on Sundays back then,but it was in the physical sense only.It was the done thing to go to Church.There was a stigma if you didn’t go.
To my shame,i can remember telling a fib to a boy’s older sister.
that he had been at Mass when he hadn’t.She didn’t go the length of calling me a liar.She just said she had seen me at Mass,but not her brother.I think she grassed him up to their parents.
I used to be an Altar boy in the 1950’s when the server was the only one who responded to the priest.In the 1970’s,i attended weekday Mass at a Jesuit Church near the office where i worked.
Once a month they would have a Latin Mass.However,one particular priest insisted we do the responses in Latin,even though a lot of the people,like me,didn’t belong to the parish.We didn’t know when this Latin Mass was going to take place.This,from a man who said Mass like he was in a hurry to go somewhere else afterwards.