Pope set to bring back Latin Mass in face of opposition (May 14 article from TimesOnline)

[paramedicgirl]

Also the TLM tends to bring out the larger families as well. And when THOSE kids grow up and THEIR kids grow up…

…Then there will be huge numbers of Latin Mass Catholics, which will translate into more traditional priests, and more availability of the TLM. All part of God’s plan, I say. It will happen over a long time, to us, but in a speck of time in the language of eternity.

 

[KeithL]

On the contrary, people, especially young people, are heading in droves to the nearest Latin Mass they can find. This has been well documented by the media lately. The only mass exodus from the Church over the TLM will be* into* the TLM, [edited by Moderator].

Thats why I said some…

 

[DWPC]

With respect to those saying that Latin is an impediment to comprehension, I’d ask if you’ve considered how the current liturgical music (commonly the dreary OPC stuff) used is an impediment. The responses, the psalms and the Lord’s Prayer are typically sung at so painfully slow a tempo by congregations that the words and syntax become no more than a string of discontinuous grunts. One should pray as one speaks; coherently.

 

[paramedicgirl]

With respect to those saying that Latin is an impediment to comprehension, I’d ask if you’ve considered how the current liturgical music (commonly the dreary OPC stuff) used is an impediment. The responses, the psalms and the Lord’s Prayer are typically sung at so painfully slow a tempo by congregations that the words and syntax become no more than a string of discontinuous grunts. One should pray as one speaks; coherently.

That Latin is an impediment to comprehension is a ruse used by liberals to try to defend their position of keeping the TLM at bay. People are a lot smarter than they are given credit for. It’s actually an insult to the intellect of Catholics for anyone to make that statement. Anyone, of any age, will be able to understand the Mass in Latin once they are exposed to it. It doesn’t take long at all.

And I totally agree with your point about the current liturgical music.

 

[burnside]

That Latin is an impediment to comprehension is a ruse used by liberals to try to defend their position of keeping the TLM at bay.

I’ve never been accused of being a liberal before because i prefer the Mass in English.In addition,according to you my preference for the Mass in English is a RUSE used by insincere liberals like me to deprive you much more humble types of your rights to the Latin Mass.
The only thing i ever found to be an advantage in the Latin Mass
was the fact that when i went on holiday to the European Mainland
it was the one time i didn’t feel like a foreigner.

 

[paramedicgirl]

paramedicgirl;2227048:

That Latin is an impediment to comprehension is a ruse used by liberals to try to defend their position of keeping the TLM at bay. /QUOTE]

I’ve never been accused of being a liberal before because i prefer the Mass in English.In addition,according to you my preference for the Mass in English is a RUSE used by insincere liberals like me to deprive you much more humble types of your rights to the Latin Mass.
The only thing i ever found to be an advantage in the Latin Mass
was the fact that when i went on holiday to the European Mainland
it was the one time i didn’t feel like a foreigner.

I was speaking generally, actually. It was not directed to you. I didn’t even read your post or quote you. Sorry you interpreted it that way. In my experience, the people I have come up against (in real life) fit my rationale for their preference of not having the Latin Mass back.

 

[mgrobertson79]

It is really sad when the one thing that should unite us, the Holy Sacrifice of the Mass, is used by a few to divide. This is not right and has been done for years now. Here is a link with the text of the Mass in both Latin and English.

lphrc.org/rmk/Latin/mass.html

We should not be concerned with ourselves or our feelings when we go to Mass. We should leave everything at the door when we enter into the presence of God Almighty. This is exactly what the Mass is. Where God and man meet, not on the street in our everyday life, but in the Church. We have concerned ourselves with to much frivolity and not enough worship of God. It is time to set aside personal feelings and return to truly worshiping God and offer with the Priest, the Holy Sacrifice of the Mass.

 

[paramedicgirl]

It is really sad when the one thing that should unite us, the Holy Sacrifice of the Mass, is used by a few to divide. This is not right and has been done for years now. Here is a link with the text of the Mass in both Latin and English.

lphrc.org/rmk/Latin/mass.html

We should not be concerned with ourselves or our feelings when we go to Mass. We should leave everything at the door when we enter into the presence of God Almighty. This is exactly what the Mass is. Where God and man meet, not on the street in our everyday life, but in the Church. We have concerned ourselves with to much frivolity and not enough worship of God. It is time to set aside personal feelings and return to truly worshiping God and offer with the Priest, the Holy Sacrifice of the Mass.

[SIGN]Amen. [/SIGN]

 

[BobP123]

It is really sad when the one thing that should unite us, the Holy Sacrifice of the Mass, is used by a few to divide. This is not right and has been done for years now. Here is a link with the text of the Mass in both Latin and English.

lphrc.org/rmk/Latin/mass.html

We should not be concerned with ourselves or our feelings when we go to Mass. We should leave everything at the door when we enter into the presence of God Almighty. This is exactly what the Mass is. Where God and man meet, not on the street in our everyday life, but in the Church. We have concerned ourselves with to much frivolity and not enough worship of God. It is time to set aside personal feelings and return to truly worshiping God and offer with the Priest, the Holy Sacrifice of the Mass.

Good post. I would only add to be able to worship with all those who are Catholic, not just the English-speaking crowd. We are already divided enough.

 

[Titus]

burnside;2227181:

In my experience, the people I have come up against (in real life) fit my rationale for their preference of not having the Latin Mass back.

But you do understand that there are those of us who are happy to see the TLM allowed for those who like it, but don’t want it for ourselves? Or do we still ‘fit your rationale’? I would never consider myself a liberal on a wide range of issues, I just prefer the N.O.

 

[paramedicgirl]

But you do understand that there are those of us who are happy to see the TLM allowed for those who like it, but don’t want it for ourselves? Or do we still ‘fit your rationale’? I would never consider myself a liberal on a wide range of issues, I just prefer the N.O.

I am also happy to see the Novus Ordo available for those who love it, just as there are those who attend the Novus Ordo who wish for the Traditional Catholics to have access to the TLM. That is the way it should be, IMO. There should not be any screaming one way or the other.

 

[mgrobertson79]

paramedicgirl;2227203:

But you do understand that there are those of us who are happy to see the TLM allowed for those who like it, but don’t want it for ourselves? Or do we still ‘fit your rationale’? I would never consider myself a liberal on a wide range of issues, I just prefer the N.O.

Would you not rather worship God? This isn’t about what we want or prefer. The Church is not a democracy, Thanks be to God.

 

[BobP123]

The only thing i ever found to be an advantage in the Latin Mass was the fact that when i went on holiday to the European Mainland it was the one time i didn’t feel like a foreigner.

One should always feel at home with any Catholic Mass. If not, something is definitely wrong.

 

[paramedicgirl]

Would you not rather worship God? This isn’t about what we want or prefer. The Church is not a democracy, Thanks be to God.

For the record, that wasn’t me who you are quoting, even though it appears that way.

 

[Titus]

Titus;2227445:

Would you not rather worship God? This isn’t about what we want or prefer. The Church is not a democracy, Thanks be to God.

Did I say I would rather discuss these issues than worship God? It feels to me like a slur on my faithfulness, which it may well not be, but if it is, retract it immediately. Is it for you to say whether I worship God faithfully and regularly (as I do by the way)? Does that exclude discussion of **how **we worship God? And, also, did I say the Church was a democracy? It is a hierarchy, but we have the right to understand, discuss and be involved. The priesthood is not the Church, and neither is the Pope. They are just part of it. The Pope is the Head of the Church, of course.

 

[BobP123]

I would never consider myself a liberal on a wide range of issues, I just prefer the N.O.

Looks like times have really changed. During Vatican II anyone wanting just the Propers to be vernacularized was considered a liberal. Today you’re a conservative if you bless yourself with holy water at a dancing girls liturgy.

(Sorry, I couldn’t resist throwing that in.)

 

[burnside]

One should always feel at home with any Catholic Mass. If not, something is definitely wrong.

I was in my twenties before the Engish Mass arrived and i used a missal.I was enrolled as a Knight of the Blessed Sacrament by the Jesuits who taught me.That meant i had to attend Latin Masses as a schoolboy and receive Communion at least 4 times a week and often served the Mass.
I felt no discomfort at doing so.However,your posts gave me the impression you were not at home with the English Mass.

 

[Jean_Anthony]

The thread is straying off topic. Please don’t make personal comments, and do return to the OP topic. Thank you.

 

[BobP123]

However,your posts gave me the impression you were not at home with the English Mass.

The English was not the problem as much as the hand-holding that they were forcing me to do. But, yes, I feel more at home with the TLM, which is the focus of this thread.

 

[paramedicgirl]

The English was not the problem as much as the hand-holding that they were forcing me to do. But, yes, I feel more at home with the TLM.

That makes two of us. I attend both Masses, and the TLM is the one I can’t wait to go back to. The universal indult won’t make any difference to me, though, because our parish will never offer it, I’m sure. I take a day trip to attend the TLM, but it is well worth the time.