Pope suggests Trump: not Christian

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I think he also focuses too much on the negative things some Christians are doing. Not enough on the good things. I do think sinful ways need to be addressed and rooted out, but really, the Catholic Church does a great deal for the poor. Isn’t the Catholic Church the largest charity in the world? He needs to focus more on building up the Christian community, instead he seems to tear it apart.

He could have left the question as, “The Gospel teaches us to reach out to the poor.” (positive) rather than “a man who says that is not a Christian.” (negative). Who is he to judge the soul?
You are asking who is the Vicar of Christ to judge souls? Do I have that correct? Really?

The man who is Pastor over the entire Church on earth, and the man who holds the keys to the kingdom–he doesn’t have the authority to judge a soul?

Beyond that–the Pope did NOT judge Trump’s soul–but people do not care about truth anymore.
 
I think this misses the mark. The Reuters reporter asked the Pope a stacked-deck question that contained misstatements about Trump. Even then, the Pope gave a nuanced answer ("…walls without bridges". Trump proposes “bridges”) even though the reporter carefully neglected to mention Trump’s “great big door” for immigrant admission.

Unfortunately, this whole thing is spun to the point of unrecognizability. Leftist media do this a lot to the Pope, trying to falsely enlist him as a partner in their policies.
Slightly confused, what in the reporter’s question was inaccurate?

Trump wants a huge wall, Trump has called for deportation of 11,000,000 undocumented immigrants.

Oh, I see he didn’t mention the door.

I honestly don’t know what Trump means by a door. 🤷

The reporter referenced the Pope’s words from Juarez. I think that reference is important for the context of everything.
 
Regarding Vatican City as its own country…
There are no passport controls for visitors entering Vatican City from the surrounding Italian territory. There is free public access to Saint Peter’s Square and Basilica and, on the occasion of papal general audiences, to the hall in which they are held. For these audiences and for major ceremonies in Saint Peter’s Basilica and Square, tickets free of charge must be obtained beforehand. The Vatican Museums, incorporating the Sistine Chapel, usually charge an entrance fee. There is no general public access to the gardens, but guided tours for small groups can be arranged to the gardens and excavations under the basilica. Other places are open to only those individuals who have business to transact there.
Also this:

nytimes.com/2016/02/20/world/europe/in-defense-of-trump-some-point-wrongly-to-vatican-walls.html?_r=0
The rhetoric from Trump’s team is misinformation, and it is not true,” said Gerard Mannion, a professor of Catholic Studies at Georgetown University in Washington.
“It isn’t all surrounded by walls, and it’s not like you need a separate visa or a passport to enter,” he said. “You wouldn’t know, almost, when you even entered Vatican City. There is a white line painted on the ground in St. Peter’s Square, but that kind of thing is not obvious everywhere.”
There are, to be sure, formidable walls in Vatican City, and much of of the site, including the gardens and the modest guesthouse that is home to Francis, is set behind them. But the walls do not entirely enclose the city-state, and in the modern era they are not meant to, historians said.
“Anybody can walk into St. Peter’s Square — that’s the whole point of it,” said Dr. Mannion. “It was designed to be welcoming and to draw people in like two open arms, to draw them into the heart of the church.”
Some of the walls in Vatican City were built in the ninth century by Pope Leo IV in an attempt to protect it from attacks by pirates and other marauders, historians said. But other stretches of wall were built during the 15th and 16th centuries, Dr. Mannion said, less as a defensive measure and more as “a political and cultural statement” about the cultural and political power of the pope.
 
The first wall goes up–does not stop the problem.

We build a wall along the Pacific coast–does not stop the problem.

We build a wall along the Canadian border–does not stop the problem.

We build a wall along the Atlantic coast–does not stop the problem.

We build a wall along the Gulf States–does not stop the problem.

An asteroid strikes the Pacific, thrusting trillions and trillions of gallons of water onto the USA mainland. The water from the ocean has no where to go, it is trapped inside the box created by USA citizens. Most of them drown. Problem solved!

When oppressed, starving, suffering people have an option to find a better life, they will always take that chance–we all would.

We in the USA are so desperate to save our way of life, that we are not looking at the truth that this problem will NEVER go away until Mexico stands on its own and its people no longer need to come here.

We can create that sill box I described above–and it would slow down migrants, but those people will still find a way because they need help.
 
I think this misses the mark. The Reuters reporter asked the Pope a stacked-deck question that contained misstatements about Trump. Even then, the Pope gave a nuanced answer ("…walls without bridges". Trump proposes “bridges”) even though the reporter carefully neglected to mention Trump’s “great big door” for immigrant admission.

Unfortunately, this whole thing is spun to the point of unrecognizability. Leftist media do this a lot to the Pope, trying to falsely enlist him as a partner in their policies.
The Pope’s remarks on this and other issues are continually being spun by the media to make it seem like he supports left wing ideas. On Catholic radio yesterday Monsignor Sweatland was answering questions on this subject on the Drew Mariani show and he said in effect that the Pope doesn’t watch TV or follow US political events and was just responding to a hypothetical question put to him by a reporter.
Obviously the reporter was setting him up to get a quote aimed at Donald Trump.
What I wonder is who is advising the Pope? Doesn’t he have someone looking after him and screening who has access to him and what kind of questions he’s being asked?
 
This is some serious misreading of the Pope and his comments. Nothing he’s said is an endorsement of a secular political perspective. His comments reflect on and connect with Church teaching at every turn.
I didn’t say what he ACTUALLY SAID is an endorsement of a secular political policy. What I actually said, and apparently not very well, is that the leftist media likes to make it SEEM so.
 
blog.camera.org/saudi-arabia-great-wall.jpg

Saudi Arabia is building a wall against ISIS.

In all likelihood, the wall will be similar, tall, double, trucks can drive through between the two walls, possible towers and the like.
And that is where we are going–walls across the world. Maybe soon, a nation will build a wall just to keep up with everyone else. And from above, the earth will look so great with all those walls. Can’t wait.

Nah, let’s not find solutions–let’s build a wall.

When people no longer struggle to find solutions, and when people just want to wall themselves off from the rest of the world, we truly have become, at that point, a symbol of human failure.
 
There is no reason to believe the CDC is straight-forward with us.

I am more concerned about those who came down with serious sicknesses in the schools and perhaps even died. Not with someone in this country illegally that we don’t even know who it is.

newsmax.com/Headline/swine-flu-illegal-immigrant/2014/06/28/id/579816/
 
I didn’t say what he ACTUALLY SAID is an endorsement of a secular political policy. What I actually said, and apparently not very well, is that the leftist media likes to make it SEEM so.
And that’s a serious misreading of the Pope’s comments. One that, frankly, I don’t know why we should care about.
 
Walls are useful in the asymmetrical warfare that we are entering into. They harken back to earlier times of beleagured empries in China and Rome building walls to curtail the barbarian masses flowing freely from the Scottish highlands and Mongolia and rampaging for the riches of the civilized worlds.

And make no doubt about it. This is a warfare that necessitates the building of walls.
 
So to all Catholics who say there is nothing in Catholic teaching to say there is anything wrong about building a wall to keep illegals out…if the shoe was on the other foot and you were the one desperate enough for the chance of a better life for yourself and your family…you would have no problem accepting that those Catholics who want to keep you and your family out have a moral justifiable argument to build a wall for the sole purpose of making sure you fail in you attempt for that chance of a better life for your family…yeah right
 
You are asking who is the Vicar of Christ to judge souls? Do I have that correct? Really?

The man who is Pastor over the entire Church on earth, and the man who holds the keys to the kingdom–he doesn’t have the authority to judge a soul?

Beyond that–the Pope did NOT judge Trump’s soul–but people do not care about truth anymore.
Some ask how popes can be infallible if some of them lived scandalously.
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presented in this work are free of doctrinal or moral errors.
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permission to publish this work is hereby granted.
+Robert H. Brom, Bishop of San Diego, August 10, 2004
This is from Catholic.com and they were Vicars of Christ as well.
 
A point few ever raise.

Where is our migrant problem with all the other nations in the world? Across which border are the Europeans, Russians, Ausies, Kiwis, Africans, Chinese, Japanese, etc., pouring over by the thousands?

Oh, wait, they are not pouring over our border–that distinction belongs to Mexico.

I do recall, in history, that many Europeans poured into our country in the late 1800s and early 1900s–many of those were poor and had nothing when they came here. We made no effort to build a wall in the middle of the Atlantic Ocean to stop them–we welcomed them with open arms. Does anyone doubt that those people would have still come here even if we did not welcome them? They were fleeing horrible conditions. Forward to today: we no longer receive Europeans as we did back then. Why is that? It is because the European nations now do a good job of caring for their own.

Like it or not, Mexico is our neighbor–building a wall will certainly slow down the crossings, and the USA has every right to protect the nation. However, this will not end until Mexico starts caring for its own in a way that stops its citizens from needing to come here, just as European nations recovered and took care of their own.

The solution is not a wall. The solution is to look at Mexico as our neighbor and to start doing everything we can to help them care for themselves, without need to flee to the USA. Only then, will this problem conclude, and that is the only way it will conclude well.

We spend trillions on wars and nation building, and we lose thousands of lives in doing the same–but we never do the same for our own neighbor.

Do you not understand? Mexicans should NOT want to flee here–they should have to be faced with no choice but to flee here to help care for their families. That must be fixed, and until it is, this problem will not go away no matter how many walls we build.

The Pope knows all this–he knows walls only lock people in and out, they do not solve any real problems. I believe he wants the most powerful and most blessed nation in the world to work hard to fix this the right way. We must help lift Mexico up so its people no longer need to come here–barring that, this will not end.

I have heard many people say they don’t like to when the Mexican act as if they don’t want to be American–well, hint: they don’t. They want to live in Mexico, but they cannot have a life there. They appreciate being able to find what they need here–but they long for their own land. That is not terribly hard to understand.

Put yourself on the other side of that wall–would you find a way to help your family, or would you just give up and die?

Put yourself on the wrong side of the Berlin wall and your spouse and kids managed to get to the other side where life is so much better–would you not do almost anything to join them?

Think of how proud so many people were of Ronald Reagan when he said, “Tear down this wall!” Yet, now, we find ourselves fighting to be able to put up our own wall. Sure, I know the circumstances are different, but there are many similarities.

There are better and more humane ways to treat people. That is what the Pope is trying to get us to realize.
👍 Well put.
 
Slightly confused, what in the reporter’s question was inaccurate?

Trump wants a huge wall, Trump has called for deportation of 11,000,000 undocumented immigrants.

Oh, I see he didn’t mention the door.

I honestly don’t know what Trump means by a door. 🤷

The reporter referenced the Pope’s words from Juarez. I think that reference is important for the context of everything.
Trump explained what he meant by a door. He explained that he would re-admit the vast majority with legal status. He didn’t say he was going to do it in a week, either. Right now, if one is in the U.S. as, say, a tourist, and if he wants to leave at the end of the term and come back legally, he has to do it at a U.S. consulate in his home country. That’s how legal immigration works. That’s essentially what Trump is saying he would require of people now here illegally; to treat them the same way legal immigrants are treated, but with an advantage the latter don’t have.
 
So to all Catholics who say there is nothing in Catholic teaching to say there is anything wrong about building a wall to keep illegals out…if the shoe was on the other foot and you were the one desperate enough for the chance of a better life for yourself and your family…you would have no problem accepting that those Catholics who want to keep you and your family out have a moral justifiable argument to build a wall for the sole purpose of making sure you fail in you attempt for that chance of a better life for your family…yeah right
I don’t believe we are talking about “Catholic teaching” in this sense, we are talking about the Pope’s words.

If we are so concerned about others, we should find out who the poorest in the world are and let them in on this basis. Send jets to bring them back in Asia, Africa and so on.
 
I saw Fr. Z mention on his blog an interesting point. Donald Trump just got a whole lot of publicity just a day away from the South Carolina primary. It’s hard for me to imagine that hurting his numbers.
 
So to all Catholics who say there is nothing in Catholic teaching to say there is anything wrong about building a wall to keep illegals out…if the shoe was on the other foot and you were the one desperate enough for the chance of a better life for yourself and your family…you would have no problem accepting that those Catholics who want to keep you and your family out have a moral justifiable argument to build a wall for the sole purpose of making sure you fail in you attempt for that chance of a better life for your family…yeah right
This is what I tried to tell you. I was on the other side. My family was very poor and still is back in China. But I would not have come here illegally. God would have found a way for me to do well in China. If America says I couldn’t come here, I would have accepted it as God’s will and moved on.
 
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