Pope suggests Trump: not Christian

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This will all blow over in a few days, one of numerous kerfuffles Trump has been in and as said if one missed it, Trump said something "Is Ted Cruz a Christian if he … " etc.
 
Luigi_Daniele said:
We already have the first (the USA already takes the most legal immigrants of any nation in the world. And I would presume the most illegal ones, too.)

Agree re: the second. A nation without borders ceases to be a nation.
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The pope is saying if we only think about keeping people out, without thought to helping them, is wrong.

I wonder why that is striking so hard against people.
 
zerocrossing said:
My comment said nothing about migrants. Please look at the full context. I was discussing the pope’s metaphor and what I think he means by it.
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Yes you talked about pilgrims… Trump isn’t focusing on religious pilgrims???
 
jimcav said:
At first I thought that Pope Francis’s style of going off script and talking from his heart was going to be refreshing compared with Pope Benedict, who rarely went off script.

Well, lets just say I’ve changed my mind…😦
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Actually Pope Benedict did go off script and it got people killed.

Different topic though

Jim
 
Micosil said:
In my humble opinion, if we stopped talking to that individual and just ignoring them, at the most reporting his hateful posts to the moderators, that would be the most ideal thing to do. People with that mentality crave attention.
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That’s what I’m doing. I’m just reporting them all and not responding.
 
irishpatrick said:
Build bridges and walls. Simple as that.
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There is something to that.

There are literal walls and there are notional walls. A literal wall combined with a reasonable and even-handed immigration policy is not the same thing as a “notional wall”, an animus against immigrants generally.

Trump, based on what he actually said, not one what others say about him or even what the Holy Father was TOLD Trump said, favors building literal walls, but his additional statement negated the idea that he had “notional walls” in mind. One needs to remember that he said he would let them return quickly but legally this time. Practical or not, it is not an exclusionary concept.

And it seems plain the Pope was not fully informed as to what Trump actually said. It’s a shame, too, but then would anyone truly expect Mexican officials or Vatican leftists to be any more honest than the American media?

But certainly, the secularist American media dreads the idea of American Catholics NOT being divided and confused, otherwise they might actually follow the teachings of the Church in supporting and opposing candidates they favor. Nor is it in their interests for American protestants to follow the moral teachings of the Pope.
 
FollowChrist34 said:
I just hope the Donald doesn’t deport all us Catholics to the Vatican!
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(I might pack an emergency overnight case, some crackers, water - just to be on the safe side)
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Well remember if he’s elected president, he supports torture, so we better be prepared for what we’ll have to endure.

Jim
 
FollowChrist34 said:
I just hope the Donald doesn’t deport all us Catholics to the Vatican!
:whacky:
(I might pack an emergency overnight case, some crackers, water - just to be on the safe side)
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I’m sure there is a vast supply of unconsecrated hosts, so we can probably skip the crackers.
 
irishpatrick said:
The pope is saying if we only think about keeping people out, without thought to helping them, is wrong.

I wonder why that is striking so hard against people.
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What if I can’t or want to help some other people. Are you going to force it on me? Do I not have a choice who I want to help?
 
irishpatrick said:
The pope is saying if we only think about keeping people out, without thought to helping them, is wrong.

I wonder why that is striking so hard against people.
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I think it is very clear he was aiming it at Trump, no one else. Trump is the only out there talking about deporting 11 million people (maybe Ann Coulter, his supporters).

No one else in the GOP is implicated here I don’t feel. I don’t know why they are getting defensive - maybe because they support a wall as part of a larger immigration plan…who knows. Everyone is just focused on the wall - the Pope did say ‘walls & no bridges’ is his problem. Key point.
 
crai7 said:
I doubt the Pope is going to let hundreds of thousands of migrants just move into the Vatican state.
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The Pope wasn’t talking about brick and mortar walls, but ideological walls.

Jim
 
irishpatrick said:
The pope is saying if we only think about keeping people out, without thought to helping them, is wrong.

I wonder why that is striking so hard against people.
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You just don’t get it. If you let anybody in your country, the nation is gone. Immigration is a form of warfare and should be treated as such.
 
crai7 said:
Yes you talked about pilgrims… Trump isn’t focusing on religious pilgrims???
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I was not discussing Trump. I was responding to a comment about the wall around the Vatican that appeared to suggest that the pope is being a hypocrite. This is why I suggested looking at the full context.
 
Ridgerunner said:
Rubio, Kasich and Bush are Catholic.

Trump is not. Cruz is not.

The majority of non-Hispanic Catholics in the U.S. are conservative and will probably vote Republican anyway in the general, somewhat spread out in the primary.

The majority of Hispanic Catholics in the U.S. vote Democratic. Nothing will change that.

The majority in the U.S. is not Catholic, and many, perhaps most are suspicious of the Popes as being potential political dictators to American Catholics.

So, while I have some questions about the Pope’s meaning in all of this, and the information or disinformation he was given, I think this sort of thing is very unlikely to hurt Trump politically, but could be harmful to Rubio, Kasich and Bush. They will be asked to comment on this, and it will be a “heads you lose, tails you lose” situation.

Cruz might benefit as well, since his natural core constituency seems to be among those religious groups in America that are most suspicious of Catholicism and the Popes.
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Good points to consider.

Also that Hispanics constitute about 40% of U.S. Catholic population, many of whom don’t speak fluent English, something else that Trump deplores.
 
Ok serious question, since we seem to have played out the whole is Trump a Christian or not thing.

I’m being serious here, do you think it’s a sin to vote for Bernie Sanders in the primary just you can try and help Clinton lose the nomination? I’m in an open primary state.
 
FollowChrist34 said:
I think it is very clear he was aiming it at Trump, no one else. Trump is the only out there talking about deporting 11 million people (maybe Ann Coulter, his supporters).

No one else in the GOP is implicated here I don’t feel. I don’t know why they are getting defensive - maybe because they support a wall as part of a larger immigration plan…who knows. Everyone is just focused on the wall - the Pope did say ‘walls & no bridges’ is his problem. Key point.
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Not true if you want to be strict about it. Trump will deport and allow them to come back in legally but Cruz said those deported will never be allowed to come back. He wants to outtrump Trump.
 
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