Pope suggests Trump: not Christian

[queenofheartscv]

Does it trouble you at all that Trump has unfairly responded in a very harsh manner to the Pope? Trump can read, he knows the Pope was not calling him out by name, and he knows that the Pope said that if one thinks ONLY of walls, and not of making bridges, that is not Christian. The fact is the Pope never said Trump was not a Christian–and Trump knows that. The Pope even said he was giving Trump the benefit of the doubt because he (the Pope) did not know all the details. Yet, Trump could not pass the opportunity to act tough even to the Pope.

In no way does that bother you?

I really don’t know how to interpret what the Pope says. He has consistently expressed displeasure with the idea of the US securing its border, or at least that’s my impression. I wouldn’t have used the word “disgraceful,” but trump is not a catholic.

 

[Good_Tidings]

Best laugh I’ve had all day!

You’re welcome.

 

[Kevin12]

There is something to that.

There are literal walls and there

Trump, based on what he actually said, not one what others say about him or even what the Holy Father was TOLD Trump said, favors building literal walls, but his additional statement negated the idea that he had “notional walls” in mind. One needs to remember that he said he would let them return quickly but legally this time. Practical or not, it is not

And it seems plain the Pope was not fully informed as to what Trump actually said. It’s a shame, too, but then would anyone truly expect Mexican officials or Vatican leftists to be any more honest than the American media?

But certainly, the secularist American media dreads the idea of American Catholics NOT being divided and confused, otherwise they might actually follow the teachings of the Church in supporting and opposing candidates they favor. Nor is it in their interests for American protestants to follow the moral teachings of the Pope.

Really? With all charity, dispense with this sophistry. Trump wants to build both literal and notional walls. The Pope is a head of state, and he absolutely knows what Donald Trump has said. The Mexican government is not feeding him a script to read. Everything he has said has been in keeping with the things you said since the beginning of his papacy. You would just disagree with the pope.

 

[Luigi_Daniele]

Well I agree with that plan, but Trump also says he’s going to make Mexico pay for the wall. Although he doesn’t say how. And honestly I don’t think we can make Mexico pay for it.

Day 1 of Trump administration.

Trump: Get me the Mexican President on the phone.

MP: Ola?

Trump: How’s it goin’?

MP: Bueno

Trump: Hey, about the wall. Either you build it and pay for it, or we slap a 30% tariff on all of your goods. We wouldn’t want that, would we?

MP: On it. I’ll drop the check off myself.

 

[queenofheartscv]

Well I agree with that plan, but Trump also says he’s going to make Mexico pay for the wall. Although he doesn’t say how. And honestly I don’t think we can make Mexico pay for it.

It won’t be in the form of a check, more like some tariff here and there and tweaking in the trade agreements between the two countries.

 

[Path_Finder]

Nate Silver tweeted:

twitter.com/natesilver538/status/700388974464995329

twitter.com/natesilver538/status/700389524808069121

twitter.com/natesilver538/status/700389742320476165

Leah Libresco article goes into depth in regards to Catholics and “delegate math”:

The Pope Is Way More Popular Than Donald Trump
fivethirtyeight.com/features/the-pope-is-way-more-popular-than-donald-trump/

Oh, sure, Trump has said things about Megan Kelly, John McCain, George Bush and so on.

But now it’s gonna cost him big time!

There have been articles for months concerning the relationship between American Conservative Catholics and the Pope. Really and Seriously, this won’t do anything.

What does Senator Marco Rubio think of the deal with Cuba that the Pope was involved in?

It looks like this is the give and take that happens, God Bless all of these men and women.

And my opinion is perhaps, we American Catholics could be treated in a more conciliatory way.

 

[SWolf]

25% listen to him on Mass attendance.

Many disagree on contraception, gay marriage and even abortion.

I doubt his stance on the man who may or may not be Trump will move the needle.

And it might move Protestants and even secularists to the man who may or may not be Trump

 

[Cider]

Legally - It’s legal, no issue there.

Morally - If your motive is because you fear what Clinton would do to the country’s and the unchristian principles she espouses, then it would be justified.

All my opinion, but I can’t see an impure motive here. Voting in the other’s party’s primary just to “screw them up” or whatever isn’t noble. Keeping their party favorite out of the Presidency at a critical time for Christianity and America is.

Well obviously I know it’s legal lol. It is an open primary and we don’t register as a member of a party when we register to vote.

I should admit I already voted, but I’m not sure if I did the right thing. I think if I’d felt strongly about any of the Republican candidates I’d have unquestioningly voted for them. But I don’t. But I really really don’t want Clinton to get the nomination.

Thanks for actually replying. This has been an extremely frustrating primary season for me,.

 

[queenofheartscv]

Rubio backs Trump.

breitbart.com/video/2016/02/18/rubio-backs-trump-tells-pope-right-immigration-laws/

“I think the Holy Father recognizes or should recognize — and I believe he does — how generous America is. We accept, every year, close to a million or over a million people every year as permanent residents of the United States. No other country even comes close.”

“But we also have a right to have a system of laws by which we choose who gets comes in, when they get to come in and how they come in. Sovereign countries have a right to do that.”

 

[popist2000]

So the USA is a Caucasian country full of people from European backgrounds? There are no African Americans or Native Americans (the latter pre-dating Columbus, of course)? No Americans from an Asian heritage? I thought the USA was a country where everyone was welcomed. At least, that’s what we understand in Europe.

Leaving aside the current conversation about the Pope and Mr Trump, I’m pretty sure that you definitely can’t be a Christian if you are racist.

USA started off as 90+% Caucasian country. Back in 1860’s Lincoln’s govt purchased Liberia with the goal of transfering all the Blacks there and let them have their own nation. For whatever reason it didn’t happen, but the intention was there. Europe was for most of it’s history 100% Caucasian. Now it’s changing, and it’s not good. If this continues, the Caucasian people will disappear and will be replaced by a mongrel race. If this is not
a genocide, I don’t know what is.

 

[Path_Finder]

Rubio backs Trump.

breitbart.com/video/2016/02/18/rubio-backs-trump-tells-pope-right-immigration-laws/

“I think the Holy Father recognizes or should recognize — and I believe he does — how generous America is. We accept, every year, close to a million or over a million people every year as permanent residents of the United States. No other country even comes close.”

“But we also have a right to have a system of laws by which we choose who gets comes in, when they get to come in and how they come in. Sovereign countries have a right to do that.”

Exactly, this becomes a hot potato issue, Bless these men, Marco Rubio very much was not happy with that deal with Cuba and one can hear the most negative things of the Castros.

 

[Good_Tidings]

Last time I was in Rome was about 25 years ago in the summer. I remember there were all night watermelon stands, in case you needed a slice of watermelon at 3 am. Does that still exist?

I was there in September, and I didn’t see any watermelon stands. I wouldn’t mind being departed to Rome. One word: gelato.

 

[Thorolfr]

This could be a disturbing new development:

The fear that Catholic politicians are pawns of Roman bishops and will pay homage to a foreign potentate rather than supporting their own republic is well established, and anti-Catholic bigotry has a rich lineage in the United States and elsewhere. Evangelical Protestants, a consistently Republican-leaning group that Trump hopes to court, are historically mistrustful of Catholicism and have grown increasingly wary throughout Francis’s tenure — going so far as to warn conservative Catholics that the Pope is moving the church to the left.

Yet two of Trump’s main competitors in the race for the Republican nomination– Jeb Bush and Marco Rubio – are Catholic themselves, something that hasn’t proved problematic so far but may well come under new scrutiny. Trump has already insinuated that Ted Cruz, who identifies as an evangelical, is secretly Catholic (“not too many evangelicals come out of Cuba, okay? Just remember that … just remember”). In response to today’s fray, Bush has been cornered by reporters and asked whether or not he receives his guidance from the pope, and Rubio has been asked to weigh in as well.

Pope Francis is still a much-beloved figure, and Trump’s Christian bona fides aren’t exactly sparkling. Yet it’s possible that with his gift for turning criticism into a weapon with which to bash his opponents, Trump could manage to turn what should be a condemnation into yet another provocative yet ultimately positive talking point.

Our current presidential candidates seem determined to uncover and deploy every possible kind of prejudice, even those we previously thought unthinkable (or at least un-sayable). And while anti-Catholicism clearly isn’t dead, many happily assumed it had at least left the mainstream. It will be unfortunate if this latest farce helps bring it back.

washingtonpost.com/blogs/post-partisan/wp/2016/02/18/in-his-fight-with-pope-francis-donald-trump-is-bringing-anti-catholicism-back/?hpid=hp_no-name_opinion-card-b%3Ahomepage%2Fstory

 

[queenofheartscv]

Jeb Bush sides with Trump.

cbsnews.com/news/donald-trump-finds-unlikely-defender-in-jeb-bush-on-papal-slam/

Bush said he supports a wall or fencing in places that need them along the border between Mexico and the United States, in addition to increased Border Patrol, drone and GPS technology.

“And that is clear, it’s not an un-Christian thing to do, to make sure that people aren’t coming across our border illegally,” Bush concluded. “That’s a just thing to do.”

 

[popist2000]

Here is a quote from Thomas Jefferson.

“Nothing is more certainly written in the book of fate than that these people are to be free. Nor is it less certain that the two races, equally free, cannot live in the same government. Nature, habit, opinion has drawn indelible lines of distinction between them.” - Jefferson’s Autobiography[7]

 

[Cider]

Rubio backs Trump.

breitbart.com/video/2016/02/18/rubio-backs-trump-tells-pope-right-immigration-laws/

“I think the Holy Father recognizes or should recognize — and I believe he does — how generous America is. We accept, every year, close to a million or over a million people every year as permanent residents of the United States. No other country even comes close.”

“But we also have a right to have a system of laws by which we choose who gets comes in, when they get to come in and how they come in. Sovereign countries have a right to do that.”

Nowhere does he say he backs Trump. But he does say he backs controlling immigration, which isn’t exactly a new development.

 

[irishpatrick]

I really don’t know how to interpret what the Pope says. He has consistently expressed displeasure with the idea of the US securing its border, or at least that’s my impression. I wouldn’t have used the word “disgraceful,” but trump is not a catholic.

But, as many of have said, Trump unfairly responded to the Pope, who is the Pastor over 1.2 billion Catholics, and is a head of state. Is that how we want him treating world leaders? And do we want someone who denies the truth?

 

[Theo520]

Read the Gospel and walk carefully here. Caring for the poor and needy is not a suggestion, it is an absolute mandate coming from our Lord. If a candidate wants to build walls and turns away from the poor, they are not acting as Christians.

A Politician is responsible for his flock, just like the Pope. But only the Pope has a global flock.

US Politicians are responsible to care for US Citizens. The US does provide extensive aid and funding for refugees and international development, but to make them as primary responder to other countries is wrong. Your anger should be directed south if you think Mexico is not managing their resources equitably

 

[queenofheartscv]

Nowhere does he say he backs Trump. But he does say he backs controlling immigration, which isn’t exactly a new development.

I meant to say he backs trump in the immigration issue. Actually he’s kind of forced to take Trump’s position because voters have been loud and clear. He’s moved from the “act of love” previous position.

Sorry for not wording my post very well.

 

[Cider]

Here is a quote from Thomas Jefferson.

“Nothing is more certainly written in the book of fate than that these people are to be free. Nor is it less certain that the two races, equally free, cannot live in the same government. Nature, habit, opinion has drawn indelible lines of distinction between them.” - Jefferson’s Autobiography[7]

So you forget about the Emancipation Proclamation and 14th amendment?