Its a political disaster for the Vatican - and I mean political as Pope Francis has unfortunately gotten into political issues which a Pope should not.
I agree - but I don’t think this outburst will affect votes in any direction for anyone. I think a Catholic or any kind of Christian has a moral responsibility to oppose Trump. Ditto a good pagan. His goal is to deconstruct the GOP establishment, whatever that is - a nonviolent revolution, really, at least that is the pitch to the natives. Except for when he gets there, he’ll deal with everyone, including the liberals. My guess is he will be mindblowingly ‘establishment.’ Mitt Romney territory.
Because this political situation also touches strongly on faith and morals, and the Vicar of Christ is not supposed to be afraid to speak truth. If we build a wall, without any concern for those we are locking out, then we are not acting in a Christian way.
I thought political correctness was dead.
See, that’s the thing. The Vatican has for a long-time considered the U.S. to be a bilingual country. No, I don’t have “proof” but why do you think priests are asked to study Spanish and some dioceses are looking to import Spanish-speaking priests? I imagine that can’t sit too well with someone who thinks only English should be spoken in the U.S.
Respectfully: forums.catholic-questions.org/showpost.php?p=13679141&postcount=410
forums.catholic-questions.org/showpost.php?p=13679141&postcount=410I agree - but I don’t think this outburst will affect votes in any direction for anyone. I think a Catholic or any kind of Christian has a moral responsibility to oppose Trump. Ditto a good pagan. His goal is to deconstruct the GOP establishment, whatever that is - a nonviolent revolution, really, at least that is the pitch to the natives. Except for when he gets there, he’ll deal with everyone, including the liberals. My guess is he will be mindblowingly ‘establishment.’ Mitt Romney territory.
I am resigned to waiting it out - until we watch the blowback from his betrayed supporters, and also remember late night TV will be hilarious when he is in office - silver linings are out there to the cloud. I just hope we don’t get nuked under him…
I suspect the pope doesn’t give two hoots about the blowback. He’s not a politician and he doesn’t need any votes.
Then speak out also on abortion and same-sex marriage. On the Democratic candidates who both support it.
We are a multi-lingual nation in that sense, that is true. It is easy to see why we are called an English speaking nation as well.
The Pope was 100% correct, and Trump (along with all those headlines) were 100% wrong. If we build a wall, without any concern for those being locked out, then we are not behaving as Christians. That is not hard to understand–and this Pope is not afraid to speak truth to power. He has done it many times. He rocked the world when he blasted the Italian Mafia–and during his trip to Mexico, his homilies spoke to the corruptions and rug problems found in Mexico. This Pope has the Holy Spirit riding on his shoulder and he knows that the immigration crisis we face is political, moral and faith based in nature.
I agree with you, but at the same time I feel that assuming because Pope X XX said X therefore X puts one in perilous danger of missing the point, much like Trump and the entirety of the American media seems to be doing.
Apparently, not today.
Yes, and the Pope has condemned abortion in strong ways. In fact, he just released statements calling abortion a crime. He will not call politicians out by name, just as he did not call Trump out by name. And, the Church has a strong record in defending marriage. The Pope has every expectation that our own Bishops will also do their part and that lay Catholics are supposed to follow the very faith they claim.
He has spoken out against abortion and same-sex marriage. I mean, every time the guy says something does he have to include life issues? “I’d like a cup of tea, oh by the way stop killing babies!” “We need to give of ourselves to help the poor, and also marriage cannot be redefined!”
Maybe Trump’s tone wasn’t the best, but he talks like that to everyone to be fair. I think that’s part of his appeal… “not beholden to any outside person/donor/entity” including the Pope.
I know that. But Hispanics constitute (or is it comprise?) 40% of Catholics within the US. and there are some projections that within a decade they’ll be in the majority (of Catholics, that is). Somehow you have to deal with that. English isn’t exactly the easiest of languages to learn and speak well.
Indeed! But you’re making sense, and that seems to be unpopular in this election cycle.
I aim to entertain. I should aim to actually do something, but that would involve a great amount of effort and well work already took up most of my day!Hahahaha!
I’m getting to really like you.