Pope suggests Trump: not Christian

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Hannity attacks the Church a lot. There is close to nothing I’d trust from him regarding the faith.

The Pope said nothing but Gospel truth and he never once said Trump was not a Christian–fact. Sometimes, what the Vicar of Christ has to say will cause pain and controversy.

I wonder, if Jesus had made the same comments as Pope Francis, would people go away from Him as they did 2,000 years ago?
Hannity attacks the Church a lot.
This is quite a claim and I think it should be backed up, I’ve listened to Hannity a lot.

Has he said Priests should be able to get married, maybe, I don’t see that as an attack on the church.

I’m a bit wary of people being spoken of negatively, Hannity I believe went to a Seminary and is still a Practicing Catholic.
 
I wish the Pope hadn’t gotten involved, because his comments will provide fuel for the Trump machine like nothing else has. It’ll surely propel Trump to the top of S. Carolina, where anti-Catholic sentiment is strong.

I’m not sure I wholly agree with the Pope, however, because a sovereign nation has a responsibility to protect its citizens.

However, I love it that all the conservative Republican “Catholics” are probably gnashing their teeth right now.

At this point, if Trump utters a single disparaging word about the Holy Father, I’ll vote for the Democratic candidate if Trump becomes the nominee.

And I’ll repeat what I stated in another thread: My support for Francis grows stronger every day. Thank God he is our Holy Father.
You better get your “Ready For Hillary” sticker then.
 
Except this topic touches three major rails: politics, morals, and faith.

Regarding faith and morals, I’ll side with pope Francis (the Vicar of Christ) every time.
The issue is Pope Francis does not have expertise in USA/Mexican immigration policy, which is why he should have stayed out of this fray. If he did have expertise in this specific issue (USA/Mexico Immigration), that would be a different matter.
 
I think there is a diffrence between having personal distain with the Pope and disagreeing with him strongly on a political issue, an area where I think most Americans on this Forum would agree he is not a policy expert in.
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Except this topic touches three major rails: politics, morals, and faith.

Regarding faith and morals, I’ll side with pope Francis (the Vicar of Christ) every time.
Let’s focus on the specifics here. Another poster said, the crux of the matter is the wall, which Pope Francis objects to. Certainly discussions can be had here. But how does the wall pivot to faith and morals? How can we judge the compassion of a US leader or lack thereof by the fact that he wants to build a wall?

You are trying to make the Pope’s dislike of the wall into an infallible statement pertaining to faith and morals, thereby crushing any catholics who want to support Trump. I don’t see how you can do that.
 
This is quite a claim and I think it should be backed up, I’ve listened to Hannity a lot.

Has he said Priests should be able to get married, maybe, I don’t see that as an attack on the church.

I’m a bit wary of people being spoken of negatively, Hannity I believe went to a Seminary and is still a Practicing Catholic.
LOL–yes, Hannity loves to state he went to Seminary. I am not going to start an entire issue about Hannity–not worth my time. It just does not surprise me he would setup a hit piece against the Pope. Nothing new there.
 
You better get your “Ready For Hillary” sticker then.
I despise practically everything about her, but I’d pick her over Trump at this point. Or I’ll write myself in.

If we’re lucky, it’ll be an easier choice and Sanders will beat her.
 
LOL–yes, Hannity loves to state he went to Seminary. I am not going to start an entire issue about Hannity–not worth my time. It just does not surprise me he would setup a hit piece against the Pope. Nothing new there.
I disagree with this, I have not seen a hit piece by Hannity against the Pope.

My the things we read here,

Trump is perverting the words of the Pope, unsubstantiated,

Hannity attacks the Church a lot, LOL! Not worth one’s time to prove. Unsubstantiated.

Hannity set up a hit piece on the Pope, unsubstantiated again.

To me, this really smacks of behavior that may not be telling the truth and bearing false witness, if our intention is to be Christian.

A hit piece, yes, this language seems to squelch any debate or disagreement. I think that is unfair.
 
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If I say to the woman who has lost her son to an illegal, “my gosh, you are not trying to build any bridges here! Please be more Christian like!” Wonder how she feels about that.
 
I’m listening to Trump on CNN. Blames the Mexican government for swaying the pope. He thinks the pope has a lot of personality, but given false information. Do we want a leader who goes off half cocked and issues press releases before he even figures out what the pope actually said?
 
I wish the Pope hadn’t gotten involved, because his comments will provide fuel for the Trump machine like nothing else has. It’ll surely propel Trump to the top of S. Carolina, where anti-Catholic sentiment is strong.
Your worried about anti Catholicism? lol…the Democratic party is anti Catholic to the core.
 
I remember when trump tried quoting scripture and said two Corinthians.
I know a lot of faithful ppl who will often refer to it as two Corinthians. I’ve heard one or two Priests do so as well
 
Let’s focus on the specifics here. Another poster said, the crux of the matter is the wall, which Pope Francis objects to. Certainly discussions can be had here. But how does the wall pivot to faith and morals? How can we judge the compassion of a US leader or lack thereof by the fact that he wants to build a wall?

You are trying to make the Pope’s dislike of the wall into an infallible statement pertaining to faith and morals, thereby crushing any catholics who want to support Trump. I don’t see how you can do that.
Never used the word infallible, and never would with this issue.

You, and many others, are failing to see what I think is obvious. The Pope does not like the idea of a wall–neither do I, and I hope you don’t either. However, the Pope never said not to build a wall. He simply said that if a person ONLY thinks of building walls, and does not also think of building bridges, that is not Christian behavior.

As for the faith and morals part–if this was a wall that had no impact on human lives, I am certain the Pope would not say a word. However, there is an authentic humanitarian crisis going on at the border–people are dying, and some are suffering and starving. Most are just trying to get away from what is a horrible situation–a situation in which we have no understanding. The Pope knows we have the resources to help alleviate some of that incredible suffering, and now all he hears is our politicians want to build a wall to lock out those suffering people. He certainly knows we (USA) have a right to our borders and to our own soveirnty–but he also knows that great suffering is happening. So, he is saying that if we only want to shut out the suffering, without trying to help alleviate that suffering, we are not acting as Christians. It is pure Gospel and it is 100% faith and morals.

Try to image if Jesus came down and temporarily took the Pope’s place for a day. Can you imagine the Lord saying less than what the Pope said? Can you imagine the Lord saying, “Not my business because the all important USA is having an election?” Can you imagine the Lord saying, “Hey, USA, its fine to ignore all this suffering.”

Well, the Pope is Jesus’ Vicar–try to actually let that sink in. There is not one human being on earth that has more authority to speak about faith and orals, than does the Pope. Not even one. he was not speaking infallibly, yet he was speaking as the Vicar of Christ about a matter of faith and morals.

I hope you have a blessed night. 🙂
 
“No leader, especially a religious leader, should have the right to question another man’s religion or faith,” Donald Trump

For me looking in on this issue I consider this statement by Trump to be another example of his hypocrisy.

Just last week he questioned Ted Cruz’s Christianity.

“How can Ted Cruz be an Evangelical Christian when he lies so much and is so dishonest?” Donald Trump thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/presidential-races/269238-trump-how-is-cruz-christian-when-he-lies-so-much

For a man who is running for the office of POTUS, who states that no leader should question another man’s religion or faith. I just can’t take Trump’s criticism of our Pope with any amount of seriousness especially after Trump blatantly question the faith of another man.
It’s amazing that some people can’t see the irony in the situation, but that takes higher cognitive skills.
 
If I say to the woman who has lost her son to an illegal, “my gosh, you are not trying to build any bridges here! Please be more Christian like!” Wonder how she feels about that.
Do you really believe the Pope is saying leave everything at it is ?
That is to say untrackable criminals and also plenty of innicent who die on the dangerous way to US. ?
Order. God gave order to chaos.
And status quo is chaos.
As far a policies , that is what people study to solve. Sometimes the Church points a need. Mary did so.
So how can bridges be built and how can we set.it going wherever we live.
Cause that is another one: migration is a global issue.
 
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