Pope suggests Trump: not Christian

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Yeah, you might not have said that the government needs to do all of this, but there are plenty of do-gooders (mostly liberals) in this nation who want to bring in more and more people and make the taxpayer pay the bill and the Holy Father seems to think that all this is the governments job. Charity comes from the individual, not the government which takes from the citizenry under the power of law.
Yeah, who would want to be associated with being a “do-gooder”?

I’d like to ask all the Trump fans on this thread, did you have any ancestors who weren’t in this country when it became a nation. If you’re Catholic, you almost certainly do. How fortunate for your ancestors that they weren’t brown. And how fortunate Protestants of the time didn’t simply turn your ancestors away for being anti-American and attempting to install the Pope as leader of the country.

The level of hypocrisy here, it boggles my mind. That the descents of people who were treated as subhumans by the Know-Nothings should become Know-Nothings themselves.
 
Donald Trump does not act like a Christain indeed!

Certainly, I understand the Pope’s statement was in relation to immigration. Yes, Mr Trump’s actions and words are not very Christain in these matters.

Mr. Trump’s prior four bankruptcy filings and his boasting of “beating the system” are unchristian. Is this not considered steeling? IMO, we should have a stipulation that prohibits anyone who files for bankruptcy from being president of the USA; common sense. abcnews.go.com/Politics/donal…ry?id=13419250

Mr. Trumps comment about dating his daughter (ewwwwwww - gross) is very unchristian. m.youtube.com/watch?v=diMp241gAcw

Mr Trump’s marriages and divorses are also very unchristian. Not to mention how puzzling it is that he only Marries foreign women and them bashes all immigrants.

We can only hope and pray for this man to have a true conversion and be denied the presidency!
 
Yeah, who would want to be associated with being a “do-gooder”?

I’d like to ask all the Trump fans on this thread, did you have any ancestors who weren’t in this country when it became a nation. If you’re Catholic, you almost certainly do. How fortunate for your ancestors that they weren’t brown. And how fortunate Protestants of the time didn’t simply turn your ancestors away for being anti-American and attempting to install the Pope as leader of the country.

The level of hypocrisy here, it boggles my mind. That the descents of people who were treated as subhumans by the Know-Nothings should become Know-Nothings themselves.
My relatives were all legal immigrants. What do you have against the rule of law?

Sending illegals back to their home is not treating them as sub-human.
 
For us in Europe, the Pope’s comments make perfect sense. Pope Francis is clearly a compassionate man who is driven by social justice. He uses the analogy of building a wall (because that’s something that Mr Trump has suggested) to make a more general point about reaching out to people in need, not withdrawing.

I realise that most posters on here are American, but I can assure you that in the UK, many people (both conservative and socialist) are astonished and horrified in equal part that a man like Mr Trump is still in the race for the White House. ‘Socialism’ isn’t a dirty word to us - it means fairness, opportunities, equality and compassion, rather than me-first and more for the few.
 
My relatives were all legal immigrants. What do you have against the rule of law?

Sending illegals back to their home is not treating them as sub-human.
Yeah, because the U.S. had less restrictions on immigration because white Europeans were still wanting to come here in droves to escape oppression and poverty, the very things driving Latin Americans toward the U.S. And during the time when they immigrated, there were people just like you screaming to close the borders to keep out the filthy Papists.

Oh, and here’s another thing to consider: the states to which most Latin Americans are illegally immigrating to used to belong to Mexico until the U.S. took it from them in a blatant war of conquest, as U.S. Grant said:

“Generally, the officers of the army were indifferent whether the annexation was consummated or not; but not so all of them. For myself, I was bitterly opposed to the measure, and to this day, regard the war, which resulted, as one of the most unjust ever waged by a stronger against a weaker nation. It was an instance of a republic following the bad example of European monarchies, in not considering justice in their desire to acquire additional territory.”

Also, if they’re not subhumans to you, why do you call them “illegals”, as though that the sum whole of their identity as humans.

It’s really just beyond me. I’m ashamed as a Catholic of what other Catholics in this country have become. But by all means, vote for a man who not to long ago was in full support of abortion, who has not the tiniest shred of compassion for anyone, because you want to keep foreigners out the country.

EDIT: I didn’t realize I was responding to a “Christian” (I’m assuming a non-Catholic). Well, I suppose you’re only doing what your ancestors did to ours. I just wish I could understand why other Catholics are going along with you.
 
For us in Europe, the Pope’s comments make perfect sense. Pope Francis is clearly a compassionate man who is driven by social justice. He uses the analogy of building a wall (because that’s something that Mr Trump has suggested) to make a more general point about reaching out to people in need, not withdrawing.

I realise that most posters on here are American, but I can assure you that in the UK, many people (both conservative and socialist) are astonished and horrified in equal part that a man like Mr Trump is still in the race for the White House. ‘Socialism’ isn’t a dirty word to us - it means fairness, opportunities, equality and compassion, rather than me-first and more for the few.
Ever since 2010, there has basically been a dramatic shift to the right here because of the Tea Party. We are really teetering toward conservatives in this country embracing nationalism, as you can see in this thread. I am really quite terrified that Trump could win. He is the kind of man who could very well start World War III.
 
As Christians we shouldn’t outsource our charity to government.

As was said above, government charity comes with strings attached.

An example of this is the African complaint that American and European aid is tied to forcing through legislation on abortion and homosexuality.

These secular morality conditions are often put under the euphemisms of health care and equality. That’s not primarily helping people. It’s undermining their culture with other people’s tax money in favour of Left-wing academic rubbish. Socialism in all its militant glory.
 
Ever since 2010, there has basically been a dramatic shift to the right here because of the Tea Party. We are really teetering toward conservatives in this country embracing nationalism, as you can see in this thread. I am really quite terrified that Trump could win. He is the kind of man who could very well start World War III.
Quite so, we feel the same about him.
 
Ever since 2010, there has basically been a dramatic shift to the right here because of the Tea Party. We are really teetering toward conservatives in this country embracing nationalism, as you can see in this thread. I am really quite terrified that Trump could win. He is the kind of man who could very well start World War III.
Who scares me greatly is Hillary Clinton, started the Libya war, then, we betrayed our friends in Egypt and Israel. Libya is a big mess and called the Clinton Obama war. They already started a war. I’d much more trust Trump.

The Obama administration encouraged the Arab spring but when it came to Syria and Iraq, did not help the people until it was too late.

And the poor people of Cuba were stiffed in that deal between Castro and Obama.
 
Donald Trump does not act like a Christain indeed!

Certainly, I understand the Pope’s statement was in relation to immigration. Yes, Mr Trump’s actions and words are not very Christain in these matters.

Mr. Trump’s prior four bankruptcy filings and his boasting of “beating the system” are unchristian. Is this not considered steeling? IMO, we should have a stipulation that prohibits anyone who files for bankruptcy from being president of the USA; common sense. abcnews.go.com/Politics/donal…ry?id=13419250

Mr. Trumps comment about dating his daughter (ewwwwwww - gross) is very unchristian. m.youtube.com/watch?v=diMp241gAcw

Mr Trump’s marriages and divorses are also very unchristian. Not to mention how puzzling it is that he only Marries foreign women and them bashes all immigrants.

We can only hope and pray for this man to have a true conversion and be denied the presidency!
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My relatives were all legal immigrants. What do you have against the rule of law?

Sending illegals back to their home is not treating them as sub-human.
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Exactly. What’s next? Is it okay to shoplift?
 
For us in Europe, the Pope’s comments make perfect sense. Pope Francis is clearly a compassionate man who is driven by social justice. He uses the analogy of building a wall (because that’s something that Mr Trump has suggested) to make a more general point about reaching out to people in need, not withdrawing.

I realise that most posters on here are American, but I can assure you that in the UK, many people (both conservative and socialist) are astonished and horrified in equal part that a man like Mr Trump is still in the race for the White House. ‘Socialism’ isn’t a dirty word to us - it means fairness, opportunities, equality and compassion, rather than me-first and more for the few.
Sounds like a lot of people are upset in Europe with the waves of immigrants coming in. I was probably wrong about that.

We might as well say, part of what has hastened this, was, in part, what some call the Obama Clinton Nato war in Libya. Oh, but we fear what Trump would do? :rolleyes:
 
Also, some sicknesses have been brought up, strains of the flu that possibly were even deadly for some Americans, a little African American boy from Missouri, brought up from Central America by illegal aliens, another reason to be wary of a lack of security at the borders. We care for others but with due care. A leader is responsible for his own flock. If one individually wants to work with lepers for example, sure, go ahead; but maybe this should not be pinned on everyone in society.
 
cnn.com/2016/02/18/politics/pope-francis-trump-christian-wall/index.html

They Pope renounces the idea of a wall at the US/Mexico border.

From Pope Francis:

“A person who thinks only about building walls, wherever they may be, and not building bridges, is not Christian. This is not in the gospel,”
The Pope never mentioned Trump, to some extent I think the question was bait and I think the response was one any Pope or other Christian leader would utter. Having said that, I wish someone near the Pope would not let him within a hundred yards of a microphone unless his talk is prepared. Pope Francis and “off the cuff” yields P.R. disaster always and everywhere.
 
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Exactly. What’s next? Is it okay to shoplift?
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Oh, but of course, everyone who comes to this country comes because they’re natural born parasites who want to live in welfare mansions that we supposedly give out, not out of desperate necessity. I mean, people abandon their families and everything they know and love to enter a culture they don’t know and that’s full of hostile people like like those in this thread, just for fun, apparently. And maybe the story of the good Samaritan was actually about how a righteous person only looks after his own people and leaves the rest in the lurch.
 
The Pope never mentioned Trump, to some extent I think the question was bait and I think the response was one any Pope or other Christian leader would utter. Having said that, I wish someone near the Pope would not let him within a hundred yards of a microphone unless his talk is prepared. Pope Francis and “off the cuff” yields P.R. disaster always and everywhere.
No they shouldn’t. There is no PR disaster for anyone but a scoundrel. What the Pope said was right and it is a good thing he said it. To not point out a clear instance of someone just tossing the teachings of Christ out the window would be wrong.

I know that most of the “conservatives” on this thread may not understand it, but there are many things on which the Pope simply says your wrong. Nationalism and xenophobia is one of them. The Pope isn’t speaking off the cuff without consideration, he’s saying what is actually the case, and just because you can’t accept it doesn’t mean he doesn’t know what he’s saying.
 
No they shouldn’t. There is no PR disaster for anyone but a scoundrel. What the Pope said was right and it is a good thing he said it. To not point out a clear instance of someone just tossing the teachings of Christ out the window would be wrong.

I know that most of the “conservatives” on this thread may not understand it, but there are many things on which the Pope simply says your wrong. Nationalism and xenophobia is one of them. The Pope isn’t speaking off the cuff without consideration, he’s saying what is actually the case, and just because you can’t accept it doesn’t mean he doesn’t know what he’s saying.
Are you making a broad brush statement that conservatives welcome nationalism and xenophobia?
 
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