Pope suggests Trump: not Christian

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gracepoole said:
Yes, clearly that’s exactly what I meant. Glad that got straightened out.
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I’m glad you are straightforward and admitted this. At least you don’t pretend to have charity toward other Catholics. the only important thing to you is deference toward the Pope.
 
queenofheartscv said:
I’m glad you are straightforward and admitted this. At least you don’t pretend to have charity toward other Catholics. the only important thing to you is deference toward the Pope.
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I have not seen one insult to the Pope in this thread really. I consider trying to bring out some terms as just seeking to manipulate the argument perhaps.

Guidelines are clear here, one may not have to agree with something the Pope said but in retrospect and from my perspective, there is little disagreement with the Pope’s original statement, the reporting on it has been somewhat “botched”.
 
Path_Finder said:
I have not seen one insult to the Pope in this thread really. I consider trying to bring out some terms as just seeking to manipulate the argument perhaps.

Guidelines are clear here, one may not have to agree with something the Pope said but in retrospect and from my perspective, there is little disagreement with the Pope’s original statement, the reporting on it has been somewhat “botched”.
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The only insults and condescension i’ve seen here have been towards those to support stricter immigration policy/enforcement (including possibly a wall), Donald Trump, and his supporters. Apparently, if you fall in any of these three, you are now “anti-Catholic.🤷” Stunning
 
queenofheartscv said:
I’m glad you are straightforward and admitted this. At least you don’t pretend to have charity toward other Catholics. the only important thing to you is deference toward the Pope.
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I find it strange that you’ve complained about the name-calling used by others toward fellow Catholics and yet your approach to me is rife with condescension. In no way have I excused the belittling of other Catholics here. Here’s my original response to you:
I think what some are finding so disturbing is the equalizing of a politician and the pontiff. For Catholics, I’d hope one of the two would automatically garner more attention, deference, and consideration than the other. Simply dismissing the Pope’s comments as being “not ex cathedra” denies the weight of his office. Respectfully, so does complaining that Trump isn’t being treated as the Pope is.
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Please explain where and how I’ve applauded name-calling here and failed to show charity to other Catholics.
 
gracepoole said:
I find it strange that you’ve complained about the name-calling used by others toward fellow Catholics and yet your approach to me is rife with condescension. In no way have I excused the belittling of other Catholics here. Here’s my original response to you:

Please explain where and how I’ve applauded name-calling here and failed to show charity to other Catholics.
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One raised the specter of anti-Catholicism it seems. Then, it seemed fair game to start emphasizing that point in all kinds of ways.

In light of anti-Catholicism being brought up, that Mr. Trump seemed to quickly commend the Pope the next day, speaks quite a bit contrary to that.

And as said, Laura Ingraham, Pat Buchanan and Rush Limbaugh’s brother David are all Catholics and share similar views to Mr. Trump it seems.
 
Path_Finder said:
One raised the specter of anti-Catholicism it seems. Then, it seemed fair game to start emphasizing that point in all kinds of ways.

In light of anti-Catholicism being brought up, that Mr. Trump seemed to quickly commend the Pope the next day, speaks quite a bit contrary to that.

And as said, Laura Ingraham, Pat Buchanan and Rush Limbaugh’s brother David are all Catholics and share similar views to Mr. Trump it seems.
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Please show me where I “raised the specter of anti-Catholicism.”
 
Round_Hill said:
The only insults and condescension i’ve seen here have been towards those to support stricter immigration policy/enforcement (including possibly a wall), Donald Trump, and his supporters. Apparently, if you fall in any of these three, you are now “anti-Catholic.🤷” Stunning
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Agreed. And now, I guess all of this needs to be said but we should return to the original topic.

Yes, someone seemed to bring up Rush Limbaugh and then, the scrum was on to start depicting those who are debating this issue as “anti-Catholic.”

Not Orwellian but maybe Kafkaesque.
 
Path_Finder said:
Agreed. And now, I guess all of this needs to be said but we should return to the original topic.

Yes, someone seemed to bring up Rush Limbaugh and then, the scrum was on to start depicting those who are debating this issue as “anti-Catholic.”

Not Orwellian but maybe Kafkaesque.
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If you or anyone else interprets criticism of Limbaugh (who was criticizing the Pope) as anti-Catholic, I’m not sure what to say. Nor am I sure what to say if you’re unable to identify any point in this discussion where I’ve described those debating this issue as being “anti-Catholic.” You might refrain from making such claims now, though, since it seems you have no evidence for a baseless accusation against me.
 
gracepoole said:
If you or anyone else interprets criticism of Limbaugh (who was criticizing the Pope) as anti-Catholic, I’m not sure what to say. Nor am I sure what to say if you’re unable to identify any point in this discussion where I’ve described those debating this issue as being “anti-Catholic.” You might refrain from making such claims now, though, since it seems you have no evidence for a baseless accusation against me.
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Please answer the question, as a poster here has one brought up both:
  1. Anti-Semitism
    2, Anti-Catholicism.
Yes or no, I don’t see this as baseless.

It looks like I will have to find these posts.
 
meltzerboy said:
According to the Trump campaign, he supported the military operation once the war began; however, he did not support the initial entry into Iraq.
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I thought it was the opposite?
Donald Trump said Thursday he “may have” signaled in a September 2002 interview with Howard Stern that he was in favor of invading Iraq.
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“Yeah, I may have,” Trump said in a CNN Republican presidential town hall hosted by Anderson Cooper. “By the time the war started I was against it. And shortly thereafter, I was really against it.”
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cnn.com/2016/02/18/politics/donald-trump-iraq-war-radio-interview/
 
Path_Finder said:
Please answer the question, as a poster here has one brought up both:
  1. Anti-Semitism
    2, Anti-Catholicism.
Yes or no, I don’t see this as baseless.

It looks like I will have to find these posts.
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The Washington Post article I posted was a reference to my concern that Trump’s exchange with the Pope would lead to greater anti-Catholicism in the community. ** I, obviously, was not claiming that posters here were anti-Catholic for debating this topic.**

I raised the issue of antisemitism to respond to another poster, who held up Hungary as a model after which the US should fashion itself. I noted that doing so would be extremely unwise since that country has a serious problem with xenophobia and “othering.” ** I, obviously, was not claiming that anyone here is antisemitic or that by nature of supporting wall-building, one might become so.**

And *my *reading abilities are being challenged?
 
gracepoole said:
The Washington Post article I posted was a reference to my concern that Trump’s exchange with the Pope would lead to greater anti-Catholicism in the community. ** I, obviously, was not claiming that posters here were anti-Catholic for debating this topic.**

I raised the issue of antisemitism to respond to another poster, who held up Hungary as a model after which the US should fashion itself. I noted that doing so would be extremely unwise since that country has a serious problem with xenophobia and “othering.” ** I, obviously, was not claiming that anyone here is antisemitic or that by nature of supporting wall-building, one might become so.**

And *my *reading abilities are being challenged?
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I, obviously, was not claiming that posters here were anti-Catholic for debating this topic.
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I don’t believe that I asserted anyone here was being called “anti-Catholic”, I did note, the specter of anti-Catholicism was brought up and I stand by that.

We can ponder for ourselves what one bringing both anti-Semitism and anti-Catholicism into a thread means.
 
Path_Finder said:
I don’t believe that I asserted anyone here was being called “anti-Catholic”, I did note, the specter of anti-Catholicism was brought up and I stand by that.

We can ponder for ourselves what one bringing both anti-Semitism and anti-Catholicism into a thread means.
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What does the “specter of anti-Catholicism” mean??

It seems you’re continuing to insinuate that because I used the term “anti-Catholicism” in past posts, someone can somehow interpret this as claiming others here might be anti-Catholic. Since this couldn’t be further from the truth, I’d really appreciate further explanation. You can “ponder” for yourself about a great number of things – why would you continue to do so, however, after I’ve explained that pondering is unnecessary??
 
**Bishop: ‘Pope Francis Is Wrong, Migrants Are Invasion’ **Breitbart, September 8, 2015
Pope Francis is wrong on the migrant crisis and the wave of Muslim migrants currently sweeping Europe actually represents an “invasion,” a Hungarian Bishop has said.
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Laszlo Kiss-Rigo, Bishop of Szeged-Csanad in southern Hungary, said the migrants “come here with cries of ‘Allahu Akbar.’ They want to take over.” He added that Pope Francis “doesn’t know the situation” and that many so-called refugees are actually economic migrants.
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On Sunday, the Pope called on every Catholic parish across Europe to take in refugees. “Faced with the tragedy of tens of thousands of refugees who are fleeing death by war and by hunger, and who are on a path toward a hope for life, the Gospel calls us to be neighbours to the smallest and most abandoned, to give them concrete hope,” he said
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freedomoutpost.com/2015/09/bishop-pope-francis-is-wrong-muslim-mass-immigration-to-europe-is-an-invasion/

The good Bishop said this, he is from Hungary.
 
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