Pope vows he won’t be slowed down by ‘ultra-conservatives’

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graciew said:
I agree with you,PNewton. It had to do with a chain of events down here . If I were you,I would turn the page.
(Hope you enjoyed your vacations btw!!)
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No posting, work, email or phone for two weeks. You bet.
 
Good for Pope Francis. He should resist the strict Traditionalists that want to revert the Church to the era before Vatican II.
 
anon67074017 said:
I am not big on ultra-conservative Catholics. I think they are too strict.
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Hoosier_Daddy said:
Yeah, who wants to be strict in thier quest to be holy?

I mean it’s soooooooo haaaaaard…
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I don’t think it has anything about being strict or being lax. That language suggests that the so-called “progressives” agree with the so-called “ultra-conservatives” as to what is moral, but simply don’t want to enforce the rules. The reality is that people have a real disagreement as to morality, and each wants the rules to reflect their good faith understanding.
 
Originally Posted by KSU:
Here is another one of those mythical nay saying “ultra-conservatives” invented by journalist Joaquin Morales Sola:

foxnews.com/us/2016/07/06…?intcmp=hplnws
Before bashing the Archbishop, how about reading the docume
phil19034 said:
Before bashing the Archbishop, how about reading the document first: catholicphilly.com/media-files/2016/07/AOP_AL-guidelines.pdf
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phil, the Archbishop is NOT an “ultra-conservative”; that is, he is not a SSPX-like Catholic. Did you not notice that I said “mythical”?

The concept of “ultra-conservatives” who always say “no” to what Pope Francis wants was invented by Morales Sola to bait the Holy Father into making a gaff. Morales tried to get Francis to conflate the Church’s majority orthodox prelates (such as the Archbishop) with the Cardinal Marxes of the world.

In other words, Morales tried to create a myth, but the Pope didn’t fall for it. Please be careful before accusing me of “bashing” an orthodox prelate–they are the salt of the earth.
 
KSU said:
Originally Posted by KSU:
Here is another one of those mythical nay saying “ultra-conservatives” invented by journalist Joaquin Morales Sola:

foxnews.com/us/2016/07/06…?intcmp=hplnws
Before bashing the Archbishop, how about reading the docume

phil, the Archbishop is NOT an “ultra-conservative”; that is, he is not a SSPX-like Catholic. Did you not notice that I said “mythical”?

The concept of “ultra-conservatives” who always say “no” to what Pope Francis wants was invented by Morales Sola to bait the Holy Father into making a gaff. Morales tried to get Francis to conflate the Church’s majority orthodox prelates (such as the Archbishop) with the Cardinal Marxes of the world.

In other words, Morales tried to create a myth, but the Pope didn’t fall for it. Please be careful before accusing me of “bashing” an orthodox prelate–they are the salt of the earth.
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My true apologies. Your post appeared to me that you were agreeing with that terrible article.

I should not have responsded to your post after reading all those hateful comments on the foxnews.com website. I’ve been defending Archbishop Chaput from the media’s filth for the last few days.

Please accept my deepest apology.
 
Thanks, phil. I’m glad you understood my last post because I mistakenly said, “Morales tried to get Francis to conflate the Church’s majority orthodox prelates (such as the Archbishop) with the Cardinal Marxes of the world.” I meant to say, “with the SSPX-type prelates of the world.”

You are not alone in your admiration of Archbishop Chaput. He is a long-time favorite of mine. BTW, I agree that FOX is not very Catholic-friendly, even though the National Catholic Reporter will disagree.
 
I would describe what Pope Frances is saying here as inkblot theology.

The shape of his words are in themselves amorphous, but what is fascinating is watching the varied interpretations that arise out of people giving their impressions of what this or that particular ‘inkblot’ is meant to convey.
 
Darryl1958 said:
I would describe what Pope Frances is saying here as inkblot theology.

The shape of his words are in themselves amorphous, but what is fascinating is watching the varied interpretations that arise out of people giving their impressions of what this or that particular ‘inkblot’ is meant to convey.
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That’s a good analogy except for one thing. The inkblot actually is something. He is not spouting random words.
 
Hoosier_Daddy said:
That’s a good analogy except for one thing. The inkblot actually is something. He is not spouting random words.
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I suppose he probably is not. I personally have given up in trying to decipher what he is actually trying to say though.
Since he has been pope, no two people here have ever agreed as to the actual message being conveyed.
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(There is only slight exaggeration and hyperbole in the above statement.)
 
Hoosier_Daddy said:
Yeah, who wants to be strict in thier quest to be holy?
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Holiness is not strictness. This is an error that is seen in the OT prophets, where sacrifice was substituted for justice, and in the sect of the Pharisees. Catholicism can lend itself to this same error.
 
Darryl1958 said:
I suppose he probably is not. I personally have given up in trying to decipher what he is actually trying to say though.
Since he has been pope, no two people here have ever agreed as to the actual message being conveyed.
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(There is only slight exaggeration and hyperbole in the above statement.)
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I am not sure why it is so difficult to decipher. All he is saying is that disagreement and pushback from Catholic leaders like Cardinal Burke, Cardinal Sarah, Cardinal Pell or Archbishop Chaput is not going to slow him down in being more merciful to people who may not be considered to be in a ‘state of grace’
 
openmind77 said:
I am not sure why it is so difficult to decipher. All he is saying is that disagreement and pushback from Catholic leaders like Cardinal Burke, Cardinal Sarah, Cardinal Pell or Archbishop Chaput is not going to slow him down in being more merciful to people who may not be considered to be in a ‘state of grace’
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I never heard him mention any bishop by name in the article.

Do you have a quote for that statement?

Do you have a reason to believe that these cardinals stand in the way of anybody at all, let alone the pope, showing people mercy?

If not, we are back to inkblot theology.
 
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