Pope's speech to US Congress [full text] [CC]

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You are morally confused. The idea that butchering unborn children and marketing their corpses is equally evil as failing to feed them is utter moral confusion. And it is not what the Church teaches.
Some of us can’t do both. I can pray for both, but give my money and or time to only one. Am I bad for picking one over the other. And does my choice have to agree with yours? Aren’t we each given different gifts and therefore different jobs? Don’t all things work to His good?
 
And kids don’t starve in America.
Speaking as a Canadian who was homeless once, I whittled away to 135 pounds while being six feet tall. It’s entirely possible for North Americans to become malnourished through lack of food.
 
Oh, remind me of the American children that are starving again please!
Wow, you’re really reaching. I hate to break this to you, but a lot of kids starve here in the USA. Ever seen a malnourished, bony kid whose parents were drug addicts? I have. My wife and I were foster parents to a child who’d gone through this.
 
You really don’t understand how murdering a defenseless child in utero is different than malnourishment or even slavery?
You really don’t see that a defenseless 1 year old kid starving to death anywhere in the world is just as evil as aborting that child? You really don’t see that a defenseless 1 year old child being blown to bits is just as evil as aborting that child? I certainly do.
 
Both deserve vigorous efforts. They are equally bad.

However, if you pick one to work for, you should see those that pick the other as just as dedicated to God’s work as you are.
They aren’t equally bad. To murder unborn persons is worse than unintentionally neglecting to feed people who are hungry.
 
Some of us can’t do both. I can pray for both, but give my money and or time to only one. Am I bad for picking one over the other. And does my choice have to agree with yours? Aren’t we each given different gifts and therefore different jobs? Don’t all things work to His good?
Give to and serve the poor all you want, Sally. If that is where God calls you then who am I to say otherwise? The point is that in terms of gravity, abortion is clearly a graver evil than poverty or hunger.
 
You really don’t see that a defenseless 1 year old kid starving to death anywhere in the world is just as evil as aborting that child? You really don’t see a child being blown to bits is just as evil as aborting that child? I certainly do.
Yes, it’s just as evil. Who is disputing that if it is killing the child and there are Christian Charities that feed the needy. I don’t see where this conversation is leading.
 
You really don’t see that a defenseless 1 year old kid starving to death anywhere in the world is just as evil as aborting that child? .
Of course not. They are both truly evil, but equating them is moral folly.
 
You really don’t understand how murdering a defenseless child in utero is different than malnourishment or even slavery?
Of course it is different and both are morally wrong. I think that is the point. To make one evil the worse evil at least tends toward the political.
 
They aren’t equally bad. To murder unborn persons is worse than unintentionally neglecting to feed people who are hungry.
Uniintentionally?
There is no shortage of information on this planet regarding the murder, of children who have already been born, and so I do see culpability in not helping those kids if one is able to.

I’m pro-life, and I’m not one of the “Love the fetus, but after it’s born, well, that’s different.” folks. I love life, born and unborn.
 
Both deserve vigorous efforts. They are equally bad.
Really? It wasn’t a trick question. Intentionally killing an innocent person is equivalent to letting a child starve? First, the first is an act that kills. The latter is a failure to act that may let someone die. There is a huge gap. I seriously doubt Papa Francis would equate these morally.
However, if you pick one to work for, you should see those that pick the other as just as dedicated to God’s work as you are.
Indeed. No disagreement here. But a morally sane person would recognize the two are not equivalent and one deserves priority.
 
Why on Earth is this even a discussion?! They are both evils. Pope Francis has chosen to speak about a couple of particular facets of the disposable culture we live in, perhaps relating to where he comes from and the people he has met in the past.

He will speak of all the facets eventually. Right now he feels it necessary to talk about specific ones. Soon he will talk about others.

God’s schedule is not our schedule, and neither is the Successor of Peter’s.
 
Really? It wasn’t a trick question. Intentionally killing an innocent person is equivalent to letting a child starve? First, the first is an act that kills. The latter is a failure to act that may let someone die. There is a huge gap. I seriously doubt Papa Francis would equate these morally.

Indeed. No disagreement here. But a morally sane person would recognize the two are not equivalent and one deserves priority.
And a morally sane person also knows that a kid being blown to bits in a war is just as evil as abortion is.

It’s not as if starvation was the only comparison I made.
 
Why on Earth is this even a discussion?! They are both evils. Pope Francis has chosen to speak about a couple of particular facets of the disposable culture we live in, perhaps relating to where he comes from and the people he has met in the past.

He will speak of all the facets eventually. Right now he feels it necessary to talk about specific ones. Soon he will talk about others.

God’s schedule is not our schedule, and neither is the Successor of Peter’s.
Amen! 🙂
 
This is the exact kind of conversation that the Evil One wants us to have. Doubting the Vicar of Christ is exactly what he Evil One wants to happen.

I swear, I can see Screwtape and Wormwood laughing gleefully about this conversation right now.
 
You know, most folks are quite clear on the teachings of the Catholic Church regarding abortion and SSM, including most liberals. I know a lot of liberals who disagree with the Pope on those issues, but they also agree with him on so much. It’s refreshing to see that.
 
This is the exact kind of conversation that the Evil One wants us to have. Doubting the Vicar of Christ is exactly what he Evil One wants to happen.

I swear, I can see Screwtape and Wormwood laughing gleefully about this conversation right now.
I couldn’t have said it better myself. 🙂
 
Murder is murder, regardless of whether one has been born yet or not.
Who murders a starving kid? Is it legal to do so?

Apparently laws against child neglect are championed by the left at the same time they champion laws to murder them in the womb. Who’s got their morality messed up?

Name a single pro-life advocate that thinks any child should starve or be permitted to starve. Just one will do.
 
And a morally sane person also knows that a kid being blown to bits in a war is just as evil as abortion is.

It’s not as if starvation was the only comparison I made.
Name a pro-life person that advocates for blowing up children. I can name several pro-“choice” advocates for the intentional killing of innocent unborn children.
 
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