That is one way of viewing the verse. Another is that it is Mary. Both are valid. When one uses scripture as an either/or proof text to justify one’s personal views one runs a serious risk of missing the depth of meaning in scripture.
That’s one interpretation, but look at the context of Chapter 12.
So, praying the Rosary is efficacious for salvation for some, but not all. That doesn’t pass “the sniff test”.
He was only six or seven years old at the time…and yet The Church affirms his vision, and those of his siblings
It was the missing piece of his spirituality - the one thing that he wasn’t doing was praying with his whole heart and his whole mind. He was getting everything else right - he was a daily Mass attender, he was studying his Catechism and reading the Bible to the extent that a child that young can do, and he was an honest and hard worker - he took good care of his little flock of sheep, and attended faithfully to his daily duties. All he lacked was a good prayer life - and for him, the way to get there was to pray the Rosary in an attentive manner.
Absolutely. After nearly a century of study, his visions and those of his sister Jacinta and his friend Lucia have been found to be in perfect accord with the teachings of the Church - their “Blue Lady” told them nothing that contradicts any teaching of the Church.He was only six or seven years old at the time…and yet The Church affirms his vision, and those of his siblings
And I guess that is your “infallable” interpretation upon the sole and only meaning to be attributed to Revelation 12…
Don’t be confused. The Rosary is a popular devotion, not a liturgical norm. For some it may be a prominent part of their spiritual walk; for others not. Selling everything you have can be a necessary move for some to achieve salvation while for others it is not. The ony Way is Christ, but He indicates that different people may drive in different lanes of the highway.
Why is this troubling? The visions were examined thoroughly after the fact and it was determined that their content iis consistent with the Christian faith. It would not matter how old the visionary was.He was only six or seven years old at the time…and yet The Church affirms his vision, and those of his siblings
The Fatima children had been routinely whipping through their rosaries by saying only the first words of each prayer. “Our Father, Hail Mary, Hail Mary, Hail Mary …” The Fatima apparition told Francisco that he would go to heaven but that he would have to say many rosaries. In other words, Francisco would have to take his spiritual life more seriously.
I know what you mean. I did not "get’ this either. If it was taught, I did not learn it. To this day, I cannot pray the rosary this way. I now pray it every day, but have never been successful in using it to meditate on the mysteries. I really am lost as to how people manage to do this.
I don’t think she meant it that way. She was never taught to read the Bible as a Catholic child, and did not “discover” it until she joined a fundamentalist sect as an adult. She considers that Catholics are not Christian and are not interested or taught about the Bible, and substitute things for true Christianity, like praying the Rosary instead of reading/praying the Bible.I am not sure how to take that. Out of charity I will assume that you meant it honestly.
The mysteries of the rosary is a shortened version of the gospels. So when you contemplate the mysteries, you contemplate the life of Christ.
The phrase “the rosary is the bible” should be understood as “the rosary is biblical”
I looked up in the New American Bible (catholic) and this is what it says in the footnotes on the woman in Revelations 12:1;
No, sadly I think your experience is far too common. I think if Catholics understood their faith, they would never feel the need to leave the Church. I left because I did not believe I was being “fed”. I did not recognize Jesus in the breaking of the bread.
This is why I say that your questions are disingenous. You already have answers to the questions you post. You are not really looking for answers for yourself. I am not really sure what you are looking for. why are you here?
I don’t think so. Meditation, definitely, but I think of study differently.
We would say, of course, that Protestants in this case do not reject ONE of the Catholic views, not that “the Catholic interpretation supports the protestant view.”
It would be a sin for you to pray the Rosary. I am glad you won’t do it.
I can read in a prayerful state, and this helps me mediate on scripture, but I have never mastered this skill they speak of where they say one thing with the lips, and think about another in the mind at the same time. Maybe I have some sort of brain damage, but I cannot do it. I thought maybe it was just something I needed to practice, but I have been praying the Rosary daily now for almost a year and a half, and I still have not been able to make it work. I am glad it is a private devotional, because I think it just does not work for everyone the same way.
This is not the case, miss. The doctrine is hinged on the Apostolic Tradtion, which comes from the Teaching of Jesus. None of the Catholic Teachings come from the Scripture, or are “hinged” on scripture. The Teaching of Jesus and the Apostles all preceeded scripture. Scripture is a reflection of these teachings, not the source.
Do you happen to know what if the catechism supports the view that Mary is the woman of Revelations 12?
The infallible Church tells us.
No more than one can be 100% sure that God hears our prayers. There are many things we do that can hinder our prayers, and sometimes, we are not conscious of them. In any case, it is rude to say “do your bidding”. What a disrespectful way to treat those who have gone before us in the faith! How is that attitude honorable?!
We know that nothing can separate those “in Christ” from the love of God, even death. We know that scripture teaches us to pray for one another.
God is so generous to share with us his role of intercession!
I scanned the *Catechism *for it without success, but in Munificentissumus Deus, the promulgation of the dogma of the Assumption, Pope Pius XII referred to it: