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C.Ray
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Why, take more of it of course! What’s wrong with the confiscation of personal property, as long as it’s someone else property being confiscated and not my own!
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Why, take more of it of course! What’s wrong with the confiscation of personal property, as long as it’s someone else property being confiscated and not my own!
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Perfect.
I support immigration.
Legal immigration.
My granduncle was an immigrant. He came to work in a steel mill where people were needed to fill the jobs.
He came to work, not to take. He wasn’t part of a drug gang. And he didn’t commit crimes against other Americans.
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1Lord1Faith
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I’m not exactly sure what you’re addressing here.
JoeFreedom
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The fact that our grandparents or great grandparents wanted to come here legally and assimilate, work hard and build up America, rather than come here illegally, change America back into their home country, expect others and our government to provide for them cradle to grave, is SORELY missing from the conversations today.
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Ender
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Virtually every discussion with the left comes down to this: “You are evil.” This is the one arrow in their quiver. Look at the title of this thread: it is not that Trump’s policies are misguided or ineffective, but that they are “brutal” and “anti-life”. You may be tired of the slanders, but don’t expect them to disappear. If anything take heart that an increase in intensity is a signal that on that particular topic at least the left is losing ground.
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qui_est_ce
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They actually approach the border carrying the flags of their home countries.
I have no problem with people having their own cultural traditions. At home, we were not allowed to speak English. Deutsch Sprechen! We have a German Cultural Society in my city to pass on German culture to our children. Growing up, I knew many older people who could not speak English very well.
BUT, we did not expect Americans to learn German.
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PennyinCanada
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Well thanks! I had no idea. lol
One of my favorites is, hang on, upside down gingerbread cake with pears.
Coming over? lol
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billsherman
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Our world, and this thread, is full of people who want to add caveats or asterisks to God’s commands.
Did you know that God commands us to care for migrants more than anything else in the Bible? Seriously, he does. It is obviously his top priority. Perhaps because he knows how hard we try to wiggle out of it.
For a non-Christian view of the same phenomenon:
And:
" In fact, the commandment to care for the stranger is mentioned more times than any other commandment in the Torah — more even than the command to love God ( v’ahavta )"
https://reformjudaism.org/learning/torah-study/ki-tavo/commandment-love-and-help-stranger
I know, I know, loving immigrants is inconvenient, so God probably didn’t really mean it.
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Ender
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As I just said above, this is the final position. It is not enough to consider us mistaken, uninformed, misinformed, or even too ignorant to understand the situation. It always ends up with the same charge, stated or implied: “You are evil#.” (# insert the euphemism of your choice)
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billsherman
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Wow, did actually just say that God was wrong when he commanded us to love the immigrants without exception for things like national security and following American immigration laws? Because it sounds like that’s what you just wrote. And God most definitely did command us to love and care for the immigrant without any exceptions:
“The stranger who resides with you shall be to you as one of your citizens; you shall love them as yourself, for you were strangers in the land of Egypt” (Leviticus 19:34).
“You shall not wrong a stranger or oppress them, for you were strangers in the land of Egypt” (Exodus 22:20).
“You shall have one standard for stranger and citizen alike: for I the LORD am your God” (Leviticus 24:22).
You shall not subvert the rights of the stranger or the fatherless; you shall not take a widow’s garment in pawn (Deuteronomy 24:17)
Oddly enough, none of these even hint that God leaves open the possibility that they are negotiable. Any and all conditions added to them are added by people, not God, and therefore those conditions are just a way of weaseling out of doing what we find inconvenient.
God doesn’t negotiate his commands. People do.
Are you certain all of these individuals really qualify for asylum?
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billsherman
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Doesn’t matter. God’s commands to care for the immigrant have no regard for American immigration law. We either care for them like our own, or we defy God.
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godisgood77
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No, I’m not certain all of them qualify for asylum. I’d bet my belonging that more than are being accepted do. 99% were rejected in El Paso… 15 accepted out of 7000. Families waiting for 8 months in deplorable conditions…
We should listen to the Bishops and the Pope…and Church social teaching.
I’m shocked by some of the responses to this abomination of a policy… anti-life to be sure.
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godisgood77
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Actually, they are brutal and anti-life… which is a real problem. The policy is misguided if you hold to Christian values… being a sovereign nation and protecting one’s borders is a right.
Doing so in a way that is against the Gospel should be a problem for Catholics.
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Elizabeth3
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So the conditions and caveats stated by the USCCB are saying that God was wrong? God’s law also says to obey the governing authorities. We all welcome those who go through legal channels to come into the country. Those who try to sneak in or cross illegally would not be considered to be a “stranger or sojourner” as referred to in the verses you shared. The Hebrew word for stranger that you cited is ger meaning “resident alien”. IOW, someone who already has permission to reside in the host country. It doesn’t apply to just anybody who decides to break the law when entering. God doesn’t condone lawlessness. Verses in the Bible have to be taken in context of other verses. The Bible doesn’t contradict itself.
Romans 13 “Every person should obey the government in power. No government would exist if it hadn’t been established by God. The governments which exist have been put in place by God. Therefore, whoever resists the government opposes what God has established. Those who resist will bring punishment on themselves…"
Romans 13 “Every person should obey the government in power. No government would exist if it hadn’t been established by God. The governments which exist have been put in place by God. Therefore, whoever resists the government opposes what God has established. Those who resist will bring punishment on themselves…"
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godisgood77
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It was fun to read this first sentence and then see your completely partisan (borderline unhinged?) response…the irony was a blast.
Thanks po18guy!
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Welshrabbit
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I’m always amazed at how some Catholics completely ignore the Catechism of the Catholic Church and believe that their own interpretation of scripture is correct. That’s a very Protestant thing to do.
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CatholicSooner
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You might want to read up on the Church’s social teachings. They have been stated in this thread. What the US is doing is not going against the social teaching of the Church. What the Bishops and Pope suggest dovz71:
No, I’m not certain all of them qualify for asylum. I’d bet my belonging that more than are being accepted do. 99% were rejected in El Paso… 15 accepted out of 7000. Families waiting for 8 months in deplorable conditions…
We should listen to the Bishops and the Pope…and Church social teaching.
I’m shocked by some of the responses to this abomination of a policy… anti-life to be sure.
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CatholicSooner
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Can you expound on what is anti life and brutal and which policies contribute to this?Ender:
Actually, they are brutal and anti-life… which is a real problem. The policy is misguided if you hold to Christian values… being a sovereign nation and protecting one’s borders is a right.
Doing so in a way that is against the Gospel should be a problem for Catholics.
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godisgood77
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Did you read the article? Were you not shocked?
Here is one obvious call out from the CCC…
2241: “The more prosperous nations are obliged, to the extent they are able, to welcome the foreigner in search of the security and means of livelihood which he cannot find in his country of origin. Public authorities should see to it that the natural right is respected that places a guest under the protection of those who receive him.”
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