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qui_est_ce
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No, we don’t want to “impose our views.” We want to spread Christianity with Truth and Love. Catholicism is a belief system taught to us by Christ. It is not a set of “rules.”
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qui_est_ce
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You are quite right. Force has nothing to do with accepting Jesus as your Lord and Savior
Again, they are not rules, but Christ’s Teachings
Satan has no Authority. He is fallen. Christ has won the victory for us.
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Royal_Christian
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Christ has won the victory for us to go to heaven and be saved however Satan still has authority on this world. I have no problem with homosexual marriages as long as it’s kept out of the church they can have a pagan homosexual marriage or secular homosexual marriage or any other type of homosexual marriage just not in the church that is what im saying and I’m also saying there are people in this world that are of the world that are not of Christ and you’re not going to reach those types of people no matter what this is the world we live in.
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Royal_Christian
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I have no problems with gay people none at all I think they should be happy and have the same benefits as everyone else does.
I don’t know maybe I’m wrong…but it comes from a good place…I’m an American born and raised and I just think everyone should have the same opportunities as everyone else does and I just don’t think people should have any less freedom than the other person all because of who they are…maybe I’m wrong maybe being a freedom loving person makes me not a good Christian …
I don’t know maybe I’m wrong…but it comes from a good place…I’m an American born and raised and I just think everyone should have the same opportunities as everyone else does and I just don’t think people should have any less freedom than the other person all because of who they are…maybe I’m wrong maybe being a freedom loving person makes me not a good Christian …
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Ridgerunner
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Since you have not defined what your “higher level” is, I can’t understand your exhortation. Please tell me what is meant by it.
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Ridgerunner
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If all of Judeo-Christian principles were dropped, there wouldn’t be much left of Anglo Saxon jurisprudence.
And unfortunately, many people derive their personal mores from the law, since they know no better than to do that. What the law allows or does not allow very much affects what people think of as moral.
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estesbob
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From our Catechism:
1740 Threats to freedom. The exercise of freedom does not imply a right to say or do everything. It is false to maintain that man, “the subject of this freedom,” is “an individual who is fully self-sufficient and whose finality is the satisfaction of his own interests in the enjoyment of earthly goods.”33 Moreover, the economic, social, political, and cultural conditions that are needed for a just exercise of freedom are too often disregarded or violated. Such situations of blindness and injustice injure the moral life and involve the strong as well as the weak in the temptation to sin against charity. By deviating from the moral law man violates his own freedom, becomes imprisoned within himself, disrupts neighborly fellowship, and rebels against divine truth. (2108, 1887)
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Royal_Christian
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to quest est ce all I know is I live by the word of God and have separated myself from this world and I’m a social libertarian and live the socially conservative life and I also believe that I should not force people to live my kind of life cause I know it isn’t for everybody…the people of this world are not like me at all they drink they smoke they do drugs they live for wealth and the things of this world and are not spiritual at all and have sex before marriage everyday and cheat on their spouse is everyday but as for me I don’t live that kind of life I realize the people in this world are wicked and corrupt and you can’t change them so I live by what St Paul said do not worry about the people of this world because in a way I was just like you I used to want everyone to live like I do and it drove me crazy now I realize that you cannot force people to live the way you want them to live.
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estesbob
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think you have a misunderstanding of “freedom” From our catechism:
From our Catechism:
1740 Threats to freedom. The exercise of freedom does not imply a right to say or do everything. It is false to maintain that man, “the subject of this freedom,” is “an individual who is fully self-sufficient and whose finality is the satisfaction of his own interests in the enjoyment of earthly goods.”33 Moreover, the economic, social, political, and cultural conditions that are needed for a just exercise of freedom are too often disregarded or violated. Such situations of blindness and injustice injure the moral life and involve the strong as well as the weak in the temptation to sin against charity. By deviating from the moral law man violates his own freedom, becomes imprisoned within himself, disrupts neighborly fellowship, and rebels against divine truth. (2108, 1887)
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Havard
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The question it boils down to is what makes marriage so unique that it is entitled to special rights and benefits.
Proponents of traditional marriage point to the natural procreative function of the family (mother + father, who make children) as the cornerstone of society.
I often ask proponents of same-sex marriage what they point to. The response is usually “love and lifelong commitment”.
I think the first is a much stronger argument, because the government has an interest in keeping mothers and fathers and children together. But without the that, what interest does the government have in keeping people who love each other together? I know some gay couples want children, but proponents of same-sex marriage don’t argue on the basis of children, they clearly want marriage benefits for couples totally independently from whether they plan on having kids. And with marriages of convenience and no fault divorce, (which pretty much only pro-traditional marriage people object to) it’s really hard to see where the government interest is. It’s essentially saying “this relationship doesn’t have to be based on love, commitment, or the creation of life… but somehow it’s really special.”
Proponents of traditional marriage point to the natural procreative function of the family (mother + father, who make children) as the cornerstone of society.
I often ask proponents of same-sex marriage what they point to. The response is usually “love and lifelong commitment”.
I think the first is a much stronger argument, because the government has an interest in keeping mothers and fathers and children together. But without the that, what interest does the government have in keeping people who love each other together? I know some gay couples want children, but proponents of same-sex marriage don’t argue on the basis of children, they clearly want marriage benefits for couples totally independently from whether they plan on having kids. And with marriages of convenience and no fault divorce, (which pretty much only pro-traditional marriage people object to) it’s really hard to see where the government interest is. It’s essentially saying “this relationship doesn’t have to be based on love, commitment, or the creation of life… but somehow it’s really special.”
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Royal_Christian
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maybe we’re misunderstanding each other do you want people in this nation and world to live by Christian beliefs and rules?
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qui_est_ce
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As Catholics, we believe
There’s only one supreme Lord over all the world, and that’s God. The power of Satan was dealt not just a significant blow but a fatal blow by Christ in his incarnation.
Jesus was given all authority in heaven and on earth by the Father. .
Satan’s authority and power are limited and subordinate to the authority that is vested in Christ. Christ right now is the king of this earth. His kingdom is invisible, and not everybody acknowledges it. People are giving more allegiance to the prince of darkness than to the Prince of Peace, but that is an act of usurpation on the part of Satan. His power is restricted, limited, and temporal. The power and authority of Satan has been dealt a fatal blow by Christ. The Cross, the Incarnation, the Resurrection, and the Ascension tremendously weakened any power or authority that Satan enjoyed, **but it didn’t annihilate him. **
And yet, that is what the homosexual marriage promoters are advocating.
That does not mean you should give up. To love is to lead someone to Truth.
Think of St. Monica. She prayed for her son for 30 years. She never gave up.
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Royal_Christian
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actually gay marriages are based on love and commitment. unlike the billions of straight marriages where the man or the woman cheat on their spouses or divorce their spouses unjustly.The question it boils down to is what makes marriage so unique that it is entitled to special rights and benefits.
Proponents of traditional marriage point to the natural procreative function of the family (mother + father, who make children) as the cornerstone of society.
I often ask proponents of same-sex marriage what they point to. The response is usually “love and lifelong commitment”.
I think the first is a much stronger argument, because the government has an interest in keeping mothers and fathers and children together. But without the that, what interest does the government have in keeping people who love each other together? I know some gay couples want children, but proponents of same-sex marriage don’t argue on the basis of children, they clearly want marriage benefits for couples totally independently from whether they plan on having kids. And with marriages of convenience and no fault divorce, (which pretty much only pro-traditional marriage people object to) it’s really hard to see where the government interest is. It’s essentially saying “this relationship doesn’t have to be based on love, commitment, or the creation of life… but somehow it’s really special.”
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Royal_Christian
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no what it means is I grew up and I realized that you can’t force people to live your way of life.
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qui_est_ce
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Agreed.
Agreed
And Freedom to choose is essential to Christianity.
People are free to choose slavery, because that is what sin is. I try to do all in my power to help people chose freedom.
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Ridgerunner
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I think we would need to see some evidence supporting this assertion. The following does not prove the opposite of your assertion, but it’s worth considering until there are long term statistics to go by.
Item: The much celebrated Episcopalian bishop, Gene Robinson, who “married” his same-sex paramour, is now divorcing him.
Item: Most divorces in the divorce statistics, are the same people doing it again and again. Most heterosexual marriages are actually stable, long-term.
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Havard
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That didn’t respond to my point at all.
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qui_est_ce
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So are heterosexual marriages.
do you have a source for the"billions" portion of that statement?
Are you saying gay people don’t cheat on each other?
We are all fallen. We pick ourselves up.
BTW, among other things, marriage is the UNION between one man and one woman. Therefore, there is no such thing as same sex marriage.
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Royal_Christian
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right but that doesn’t mean that you should force the government to live by church rules.Agreed.
Agreed
And Freedom to choose is essential to Christianity.
People are free to choose slavery, because that is what sin is. I try to do all in my power to help people chose freedom.
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Ridgerunner
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Again, if that were true, there would be shootouts on every major street in the country, daily. Of COURSE societies force citizens to live the way of life the society thinks appropriate. And societies have multiple ways of doing it.
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