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[qui_est_ce]

Royal Christian, please address how this:

putting religion into the government is illegal and unconstitutional

follows this:

What religion? The promotion of traditional marriage doesn’t require belief in any religion or God at all. You can be a completely unaffiliated agnostic or atheist or humanist and want the government to set aside certain rights to natural families.

I am having a hard time following your line of reasoning, Royal Christian.

 

[Royal_Christian]

Typical of these discussions-we quote the catechism and Scripture in response we get quotes from Wikipedia.

So as an adherent Catholic who do I owe greater allegiance? Church or state?

so what do you wanna do put the religion into the government well tough that’s not going to happen especially when us 20 somethings get into the government.

 

[Royal_Christian]

Royal Christian, please address how this:
follows this:
I am having a hard time following your line of reasoning, Royal Christian.

one quote you have by me and another quote is by Harvard.

 

[qui_est_ce]

it doesn’t but in other documents like the Treaty of Tripoli and others it does and those documents were created by the founding fathers.

Can you provide me quotes? Is our country run by these “other documents” or by the Constitution?

 

[Royal_Christian]

Can you provide me quotes? Is our country run by these “other documents” or by the Constitution?

it doesn’t matter you’re fighting a losing battle you don’t get it.

 

[qui_est_ce]

one quote you have by me and another quote is by Harvard.

I know.

 

[Royal_Christian]

I know.

I don’t understand.

 

[qui_est_ce]

it doesn’t matter you’re fighting a losing battle you don’t get it.

In other words, you cannot back up your assertions, so you resort to accusing me of “not getting it.”

I get it.

 

[Royal_Christian]

In other words, you cannot back up your assertions, so you resort to accusing me of “not getting it.”

I get it.

No. you just would love to put the religion into the government and you can’t.

 

[Havard]

So what I get out of this is that if a natural law atheist lobbies or votes for traditional marriage, he should be arrested and tried for the crime of putting religion into government.

 

[qui_est_ce]

I don’t understand.

You asserted we were trying to insert religion into the government. Havard pointed out this was not a religious issue at all.

Havard:

Establishment of a state religion is illegal. Not “putting religion into the government”. Promoting traditional marriage doesn’t have to be linked to religion at all, let alone the establishment of a state religion.

Yet you persist in telling us that we are trying to insert religion into government.

 

[Royal_Christian]

You asserted we were trying to insert religion into the government. Havard pointed out this was not a religious issue at all.

Yet you persist in telling us that we are trying to insert religion into government.

1. marriage has been altered many many times throughout history it hasn’t been one man and one woman forever and 2. the only people that are wanting to discriminate against gay people are the so-called “religious” right.

 

[Robert_Sock]

I’m not quite sure what you mean here. I usually reserve that expression for individual people who show great character, and IMO, not an entire demographic. I do agree that we should love gay people though.

I believe that gays can be of high moral character, relatively speaking. I prefer to hold them in high esteem to acknowledge their potential religious virtue and honor that they are capable. With love, I believe we are all able tolerate the affection that SSA have for each other, without compromising our own religious values and beliefs. In any event, it seems very evident to me that the American public will become more tolerable of these acts of affection, via the mass media. It’s God alone who will judge gays, and it’s my obligation to look well beyond their sinful behavior.

LOVE!

 

[qui_est_ce]

No. you just would love to put the religion into the government and you can’t.

You made a claim you cannot support and then accuse me of violating that unsupported claim.

Do you sense you lack of logic?

 

[Royal_Christian]

I believe that gays can be of high moral character, relatively speaking. I prefer to hold them in high esteem to acknowledge their potential religious virtue and honor that they are capable. With love, I believe we are all able tolerate the affection that SSA have for each other, without compromising our own religious values and beliefs. In any event, it seems very evident to me that the American public will become more tolerable of these acts of affection, via the mass media. It’s God alone who will judge gays, and it’s my obligation to look well beyond their sinful behavior.

LOVE!

TH:thumbsup:ANK YOU!

 

[Havard]

Royal, you might want to take a peek at this:

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blue_laws_in_the_United_States

I’m not in favor of blue laws, but as an American you should at least be familiar with the fact that the government has had the capacity to enact and enforce them for over a hundred years.

 

[Ridgerunner]

so what do you wanna do put the religion into the government well tough that’s not going to happen especially when us 20 somethings get into the government.

By then, you’ll all be 40 or 50 or 60 somethings, and your generation might be a lot more traditionally-minded than you presently think. There are some signs of it. Your generation is nowhere near as change oriented as the twenty-somethings of the 1970s. Nowhere near.

You might find it interesting to delve into Anglo Saxon jurisprudence. After all, you’re governed by it, and every young person should know at least some basic things about it.
If you do that, you will find that it was based on Judeo-Christian principles from the very first, and pervasively. Older cases, up until about the 1980s admitted it. Later ones tend not to do so. But even the Commercial Code is based on it.

Other societies, of course, are based on other principles, largely religious ones. Sharia or quasi-sharia being one of the most prominent nowadays. As we know, Russian Orthodoxy has massively influenced Russian law of late. Continental European law is essentially based on Canon Law. If one wants to purge all religious-based tenets out of the law, one would really have to start from nothing to do it.

 

[estesbob]

1. marriage has been altered many many times throughout history it hasn’t been one man and one woman forever and 2. the only people that are wanting to discriminate against gay people are the so-called “religious” right.

So as a Catholic you believe opposing homosexual “marriage” is unjust discrimination?

 

[Havard]

1. marriage has been altered many many times throughout history it hasn’t been one man and one woman forever and 2. the only people that are wanting to discriminate against gay people are the so-called “religious” right.

The majority of people. Not the only people.

Just like the majority of pro-lifers in the US are religious or conservative.

There are liberals and atheists/agnostics who are against abortion and likewise same-sex marriage.

 

[Royal_Christian]

So as a Catholic you believe opposing homosexual “marriage” is unjust discrimination?

opposing secular same sex marriage is unjust discrimination.