Principal said Bush portrait must go

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Karin:
Only if I veiw myself as an American…and I dont. So yes while I pay taxes in this country I do not view Bush as my President but as the President of the AMERICAN people.
Then as the guest that you are here, I think you would agree that your views on this issue really don’t matter. Just as one does not go into a neighbors house and demand things be changed.
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Karin:
In my life time, I have never seen a president that is hated more than George Bush.** Dont you ever ask yourself, WHY??**
Maybe a litte. But then I consider the source of the hate which puts it all in perspective.
 
Karin said:
Dont you ever ask yourself, WHY??

Nope. I know why folks on the left and the islamofacists hate Bush43. He means what he says, does what he says he’s gonna do in addition to not caring what his political oppenents think or say about him in private or in public (which IMO annoys those who hate him all the more) and he has the nerve to act like he’s the President of the US and makes decisions based on what he feels is the best interest of the United States.

IMO, those who admit to hating Bush43 says way more about the hater and their spiritual depravity than Bush43 or America.
 
Karin said:
ahh…stickman another issue we will never agree on…so can we agree to disagree??

Sure can. Won’t change the reality though hehehehe
 
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Stu:
Then as the guest that you are here, I think you would agree that your views on this issue really don’t matter. Just as one does not go into a neighbors house and demand things be changed.
Not really…as a mother whose kids are Americans & Austrians my
view(s) is just as important as anyone elses. I am very concerned with what they learn (or dont) or with what they see in the
classroom(s)…another point…If as you say “I was only a guest” why am I forced to pay taxes? I dont use the public school system, I dont use social services etc.
 
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Karin:
Not really…as a mother whose kids are Americans & Austrians my
view(s) is just as important as anyone elses. I am very concerned with what they learn (or dont) or with what they see in the
classroom(s)…another point…If as you say “I was only a guest” why am I forced to pay taxes? I dont use the public school system, I dont use social services etc.
If you aren’t a citizen then you are guest pure and simple. But since you live under the protective arm of the United States and enjoy her fruits you must also pay for such. Since your children then are Americans and you are “very concerned with what they learn” I would think that as a good parent you would want them to know who serves in the office of the President and respect that office. If I lived in Austria or any other country I would have no problem with a picture of that country’s leader up on the wall.

I didn’t care for many of the action of President Clinton. However that did not stop me from making my children gather around the TV whenever he addressed the nation as I want them to respect the country they live in. And even knowing how I feel about his personal conduct, this gave them a good lesson in respecting the office. This is question of good citizenship and has nothing to do with personality which is the failing of many leftists. The picture of the standing President of the United States belongs in our classrooms, pure and simple.
 
Who do they want posted instead?

Chairman Mao?
Fidel Castro?
Karl Marx?
Adolph Hitler?
Josef Stalin?
Saddam Hussian?
Michael Moore?
John Kerry?

“They” would rather have THOSE persons posted than say… (pause) Ah…

George W. Bush
George Washington
Pope Benedict XVI
Jesus Christ
 
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Stu:
If you aren’t a citizen then you are guest pure and simple. But since you live under the protective arm of the United States and enjoy her fruits you must also pay for such. What “fruits” do I enjoy??? Please I am dying to know what all of my taxes go towards!!! ** Since your children then are Americans and you are “very concerned with what they learn” I would think that as a good parent you would want them to know who serves in the office of the President and respect that office. ** They do know who serves in that office…respect ??? If I lived in Austria or any other country I would have no problem with a picture of that country’s leader up on the wall. 🙂

I didn’t care for many of the action of President Clinton. However that did not stop me from making my children gather around the TV whenever he addressed the nation as I want them to respect the country they live in. And even knowing how I feel about his personal conduct, this gave them a good lesson in respecting the office. How can you repsect the office if you dont respect the man in that office??? This is question of good citizenship and has nothing to do with personality which is the failing of many leftists. The picture of the standing President of the United States belongs in our classrooms, pure and simple.
 
I posted this on another thread. Given the way the discussion is going, it is applicable here.

**Pop quiz: ** If the terrorists weren’t attacking us in the Middle East, they’d be attacking us here. So when (not if, but when) they attack America, who would you prefer they run into:A. Civilians in America, wearing suits and skirts, carrying briefcases and purses, who have been disarmed by their government.

B. The American Military, who wear armor, have been thoroughly trained for combat, and who are armed with tanks, bombs, jets, and really big guns.
There is no “none of the above” option, because the terrorist will attack us regardless.

This thread got off topic. If the teacher were hanging a Bush poster as an endorsement, it would make for a debate that could have respectable arguments on both sides. However, Bush was pictured with other presidents, so he is being displayed for reasons that should be acceptable to anyone, especially in a school where learning and history are important (I’d say the same if a conservative principal wanted to remove Clinton). The argument that he didn’t really win the election in 2000 is void, considering he unquestionably re-elected.

Blessings.
 
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Jay74:
I posted this on another thread. Given the way the discussion is going, it is applicable here.

**Pop quiz: **If the terrorists weren’t attacking us in the Middle East, they’d be attacking us here. So when (not if, but when) they attack America, who would you prefer they run into:A. Civilians in America, wearing suits and skirts, carrying briefcases and purses, who have been disarmed by their government.

B. The American Military, who wear armor, have been thoroughly trained for combat, and who are armed with tanks, bombs, jets, and really big guns.

There is no “none of the above” option, because the terrorist will attack us regardless.

This thread got off topic. If the teacher were hanging a Bush poster as an endorsement, it would make for a debate that could have respectable arguments on both sides. However, Bush was pictured with other presidents, so he is being displayed for reasons that should be acceptable to anyone, especially in a school where learning and history are important (I’d say the same if a conservative principal wanted to remove Clinton). The argument that he didn’t really win the election in 2000 is void, considering he unquestionably re-elected.

Blessings.
thank you…youare right the thread did go a bit astray there… but the question no one has answered is WHY decorate classrooms anyway?? It is not a party and picutres are in textbooks so why do we need things hanging on the wall??
 
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Sirach14:
I have never seen a president that is hated more than George Bush.
That’s because times are kinda bad right now and many people believe that Bush is the source. Many people feel scared as we lose a little bit more of our freedom each day (or at least we feel that way), we see our businesses closing up and moving overseas and then we see our family members and friends loosing their jobs to someone in China/India.

Then you turn on the tv and see Bush smirking and laughing and you can’t help but feel a pang of anger and resentment. I’m not saying it’s justified, I’m just saying these are some of the reasons so many are angered at Bush.
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thestickman:
LOL!!! If you live here, enjoy the fruits and protections of our society and pay taxes in our country then Bush is your President while you live here.
The sad thing is many of us feel those “fruits and protections” are slowly dissapearing.

To answer the above poster, I think teachers decorate their classrooms for various reasons. Usually in the classes I had the teachers would decorate the room relative to what they were teaching.
 
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Shinobu:
That’s because times are kinda bad right now and many people believe that Bush is the source. Many people feel scared as we lose a little bit more of our freedom each day (or at least we feel that way), we see our businesses closing up and moving overseas and then we see our family members and friends loosing their jobs to someone in China/India.

Then you turn on the tv and see Bush smirking and laughing and you can’t help but feel a pang of anger and resentment. I’m not saying it’s justified, I’m just saying these are some of the reasons so many are angered at Bush.
The president does not set policy for American companies in their hiring practices that do not discriminate against anyone. His hands are tied unless Congress decides to do something about it. So, write your senator and your congressman instead of reading into GWB’s expressions any smirking or laughing at the plight of displaced workers.
The sad thing is many of us feel those “fruits and protections” are slowly dissapearing.
Congress and the president passed the Patriot Act, and for good reason. No true freedoms have been taken away from anyone. If you want to worry about freedoms being grabbed by authority, then look no further than the Supreme Court who gave women the “right” to kill their unborn children and developers the “right” to confiscate private property so the government can make more taxes.
To answer the above poster, I think teachers decorate their classrooms for various reasons. Usually in the classes I had the teachers would decorate the room relative to what they were teaching.
All the presidents portraits were on display. This teacher took it upon herself to eliminate GWB’s because of her own personal animus against him. And what did that teach her students about good citizenship? Answer me that.
 
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Della:
All the presidents portraits were on display. This teacher took it upon herself to eliminate GWB’s because of her own personal animus against him. And what did that teach her students about good citizenship? Answer me that.
Why are you asking me? I was just answering the one poster who wondered why teachers decorate their classroom.

Like I said before, it doesn’t matter what the real reasons are, people see Bush and see him as the head, since he is the President, they see him as the source of all our ills.
 
Karin said:
thank you…youare right the thread did go a bit astray there… but the question no one has answered is WHY decorate classrooms anyway?? It is not a party and picutres are in textbooks so why do we need things hanging on the wall??

When I was in high school over 15 years ago, our history classroom had maps, a globe, various other historical posters, and a picture of all 41 presidents (to date). No one cared, until now that GWB is president.

I don’t know how to answer the question “why decorate classrooms.” The classroom didn’t have to be decorated.

The real question I have is (especially if it is real historical learning information), “What is wrong with a teacher decorating the wall with information about our presidential history?”
 
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Shinobu:
Why are you asking me? I was just answering the one poster who wondered why teachers decorate their classroom.

Like I said before, it doesn’t matter what the real reasons are, people see Bush and see him as the head, since he is the President, they see him as the source of all our ills.
Oh, but it does matter and it isn’t fair. I was no fan of the Clintons, and still am not, but I certainly didn’t see Bill as the “source of all our ills”. The president of the USA is not a potentate/priest who is supposed to literally embody the people before God and man, but is an elected official no different, except in authority, from a senator or a congressman.
 
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Della:
All the presidents portraits were on display. This teacher took it upon herself to eliminate GWB’s because of her own personal animus against him. And what did that teach her students about good citizenship? Answer me that.
Well now not being a “citizen” but a “visitor” my understanding of what make a good citizen is as follows:
Honesty is the basic theme of good citizenship. A person must be honest with others, and with himself or herself, in order to be a good citizen. Has BUSH been totally honest with the citizens of this country???
Compassion is the emotion of caring for people and for other living things. Compassion gives a person an emotional bond with his or her world. Where is the compassion for others, BUSH???

**Respect. An important aspect of respect is *self-*respect, whereas compassion is directed toward others. Respect is also directed toward inanimate things or ideas as well as toward people. For example, people should have respect for laws. YUP!!! Finally, respect includes the idea of esteem or admiration, whereas compassion is a feeling people can have for others they don’t necessarily admire. **

Responsibility, which includes both private, personal responsibility and public responsibility. Individuals and groups have responsibilities. Responsibility is about action, and it includes much of what people think of as good citizenship. You may wish to point out that one of the main responsibilities of students is to learn. They must educate themselves so that they can live up to their full potential. YUP!!! Learning and educating yourself is the best thing a citizen can do!
Finally, Courage is important to good citizenship. Human beings are capable of moving beyond mere goodness toward greatness. Courage enables people to do the right thing even when it’s unpopular, difficult, or dangerous. Many people—including Ben Franklin, Thomas Jefferson, Martin Luther King Jr., Susan B. Anthony, and Mohandas Gandhi—have had the courage to change the rules to achieve justice YUP!!!


 
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Jay74:
The real question I have is (especially if it is real historical learning information), “What is wrong with a teacher decorating the wall with information about our presidential history?”
But **WHY **decorate? Nothing is wrong with it…but is it really needed?? Is there any benefit to it?? Does it raise test scores, make better students etc.??
 
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Karin:
But **WHY **decorate? Nothing is wrong with it…but is it really needed?? Is there any benefit to it?? Does it raise test scores, make better students etc.??
I believe it does raise test scores if the test consists of naming all the presidents of the USA (after their pictures have been taken down for the test, of course).

Children learn through visual helps as well as the written page and the spoken word. But, most of all, they learn from the example set by their elders, be they teachers, parents, priests or whoever.

So, once again, if all the presidents’ portraits were put up but only GWB’s taken down because of the personal animus of the teacher, it teaches her students a very bad lesson in civics, does it not?
 
Just wondering…what nationality are you? Are you here legally?

Also…under your profile under “Religion”, you state: " a little bit of everything"…What exactly does that mean.
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Karin:
What about of OUR Pope? Not everyone in public school is an American…so he is not everyones President!
 
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