Pro-Lifers Should Get Same Access to Schools as Planned Parenthood Does

[Hume]

vz71:

I do not believe you have any idea what you are talking about anymore.

All of creation is subject to God.

Yes.

Hume’s arguments presume that continuous obstinate opposition to God
is Okey-Dokey on a Catholic Forum

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In the apologetics section, yes.

Now in other subforums? no.

 

[EndTimes]

No, they presume that you are a free moral agent and can choose whatever god you wish. We have 1000s.

Sure…

Planned Parenthood? Abomination!

 

[Hume]

No, they presume that you are a free moral agent and can choose whatever god you wish. We have 1000s.

We know all about AntiChristians…

Planned Parenthood? Abomination!

I’m not anti-Christian, EndTimes. I’m pro-pluralism.

Not just Christians here in the Red, White and Blue. Moreover, not just Catholic Christians.

It’s their America, too.

 

[EndTimes]

I’m pro-pluralism. Not just Christians here in the Red, White and Blue. Moreover, not just Catholic Christians. It’s their America, too.

Their America?

Sure … There’s every kind of belief system under the sun

Anything else?

 

[Hume]

Hume:

I’m pro-pluralism. Not just Christians here in the Red, White and Blue. Moreover, not just Catholic Christians. It’s their America, too.

Their America?

Sure … There’s every kind of belief system under the sun

Anything else?

No, that’s really the point. In a pluralist environment, freedom must reign. People don’t want to live under the Sharia any more than they want to live under the Catechism. And since a state church is prohibited, they don’t have to.

What you guys should focus on, since you can’t ethically take a woman’s body as hostage, is attacking the reasons a woman would choose abortion. Giver her and baby healthcare. Giver her paid maternity leave.

Turn your zeal upon the reasons she would choose to abort.

 

[EndTimes]

People don’t want to live under the Sharia
any more than they want to live under the Catechism.
And since a state church is prohibited, they don’t have to.

No… Make that some people
Separation of Church and State came from AntiChristians.
God’s Law’s trump that of any and all States

So… we could in theory go on ad infinitum on this

Catholicism Is Pro-Life aka Anti-Abortion

PP is an Abomination - and was never the will of the people when established

 

[Hume]

The will of the people was also the refusal of the establishment of a state church, EndTimes.

We need to respect that too, right?

After all, if it happened, it would have been the Episcopal Church. They kinda let most things go these days too, right?

Let people live as they wish. If you want to be pro life, utilize choice and be so! Let others have the right to choose too.

 

[EndTimes]

The will of the people was also the refusal of the establishment of a state church, EndTimes.

We need to respect that too, right?

We respect the free will component of people

We do not ever have to respect what they will / choose / do.

Love the Sinner… Hate the Sin

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[Hume]

Hume:

The will of the people was also the refusal of the establishment of a state church, EndTimes.

We need to respect that too, right?

We respect the free will component of people

We do not ever have to respect what they will.

Love the Sinner… Hate the Sin

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Excellent rule.

So let the woman have her free will over her own body. It’s all we pro-choicers ask.

 

[EndTimes]

So let the woman have her free will over her own body. It’s all we pro-choicers ask.

Pro-Choicers? As In All have Choice aka Their Free Will.

The Body in the Womb of a woman is not her body -

It is the body of another

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[Hume]

Hume:

So let the woman have her free will over her own body. It’s all we pro-choicers ask.

Pro-Choicers? As In All have Choice aka Their Free Will.

The Body in the Womb of a woman is not her body -

It is the body of another

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Sure, but the woman’s body is hers. If she doesn’t want it in her body, she shouldn’t be forced.

 

[Elf01]

Yeah. I said “I don’t know”.

Drug use is highly subjective, morally speaking.

Interesting. I’m assuming you don’t believe that making cocaine illegal violates the right to bodily automony (or you would have said you supporr it being legal). Why not?

 

[Jen95]

Hume,
You act like Catholics are the only pro-lifers. We’re not. There are pro-lifers of every religious stripe, and atheist prolifers.
Just because a law overlaps some religious edict doesn’t mean that the law is “forcing religion on people”.
I.e. human trafficking. If Catholics are against it, does that mean the US cannot have a law against it?
Your argument doesn’t hold any water.
Would you ever see a bumper sticker that says “if you don’t like human trafficking, don’t traffic anyone”. It’s ridiculous.

 

[EndTimes]

Sure, but the woman’s body is hers. If she doesn’t want it in her body, she shouldn’t be forced.

And the Child in her Womb is a Child … And if she chooses to kill it - she’s committed Murder

Many women after having procured an Abortion - Grieve over what they’ve done

For more reasons than actually $upporting Abortion - Planned Parenthood remains an Abomination

 

[ThinkingSapien]

Next to every single planned parenthood in the country there is a federally qualified health care center that offers the same services to women and more (minus abortion services).

Are you sure about that? I looked up an Atlanta PP location. It is between a Bank of America and a Long John Silvers. When I look across the street I see a Mc Donald’s and a Wendys.

 

[Hume]

Hume:

Yeah. I said “I don’t know”.

Drug use is highly subjective, morally speaking.

Interestinh. I’m assuming you don’t believe that making cocaine illegal violates the right to bodily automony (or you would have said you supporr it being legal). Why not?

Again, I don’t know.

Drugs are destructive. Drugs are also fun. About once every quarter or so, me and “the guys” get together and drink too much while someone beats someone else up on the TV. UFC or Boxing. It’s a fabulous time.

The next morning I’m death warmed over because I essentially poisoned myself a little in having fun.

I can drink, which kills oceans of people. I can smoke, which kills oceans of people. But for some reason I can’t do pot which has never killed anyone and I can’t do the drugs that have much higher danger associated with use.

There seems to be a complete lack of any one rule or ethos guiding it.

But libertarians (liberal Republicans, in simpler terms) think that things should be legal by default. And if someone ODs, well… that’s just social Darwinism helping clean the human gene-pool.

I don’t know.

 

[Elf01]

I don’t know.

If we define bodily automony as being able to do what you want with your own body it seems clear that any drug you want to take should be legal.

How do you define bodily automony?

 

[Hume]

Hume:

I don’t know.

If we define bodily automony as being able to do what you want with your own body it seems clear that any drug you want to take should be legal.

How do you define bodily automony?

I see where you’re going, and I’d agree. They should be legal by default.

However, as we agree that liberty can be shaped and limited with other morals - like you’re not at liberty to kill someone.

If pushed, ya. I’d probably make it legal and have it packaged with a warning on it, like ciggies and booze.

 

[Elf01]

However, as we agree that liberty can be shaped and limited with other morals - like you’re not at liberty to kill someone.

Including if that person is in your body. Thanks for making my point for me.

 

[Hume]

Hume:

However, as we agree that liberty can be shaped and limited with other morals - like you’re not at liberty to kill someone.

Including if that person is in your body. Thanks for making my point for me.

Not so fast, you violate the autonomy of the woman in forcing her to stay pregnant against her will.

This is a problem, especially if her capacity for autonomy radically eclipses the fetuses.