Problem with the Catholic Church's teaching on abortion in cases of rape

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@stpurl & all who believe victim of rape commit murder when she cannot carry the rapist child in her womb, please let me know your opinion regarding these questions:
JoyfulTune said:
What if the woman victim has a husband. Does the husband has to receive the child of other man who rape his wife? Is it compulsory for him to do so? What if he choose to divorce her? What happen to their own children from their own marriage if they divorce?
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Well since you ask my opinion, please tell me where and when I ever stated that a woman who became pregnant through an act of rape was required to raise the child. I believe I often mentioned the word “adoption”, did I not?

So in answer to your question, if the woman has a husband, he is no more required to ‘receive’ or ‘raise’ the child than his wife. When the child is born, the child can be adopted.

And it is not the fault of the child if, after a rape, a man divorces his wife. It is the fault of the husband for divorcing a woman who was the victim of a crime. Your attempts to make strawmen are getting really tiresome.

And your earlier comments claiming that people who do not wish for women to abort their babies are espousing ‘end justifies the means’ reasoning is again shown to be risible in that it is you who is doing so. For your scenarios in which all kinds of ‘terrible things’ happen because of the woman not choosing to abort is exactly that —your attempt to justify the means (abortion) to achieve a ‘good end’, supposedly of ‘the woman not being divorced’ etc.

I’ll ask you—what about the child? The child did not do anything wrong. Why are you willing to kill the child? What ‘good’ does that do the child? None. What ‘good’ does it do the mother? It doesn’t erase the rape. It doesn’t erase the pregnancy. It adds onto it by further trauma.

Whereas supporting the mother through the pregnancy and then allowing the child to be adopted by loving adoptive parents turns a horrible rape into a chance for an innocent human being to be born and to be a grace to another family. It allows the birth mother the grace to move through the rape trauma knowing that she took evil and ‘made good out of it’ by offering that child to those who would love the child. If there are others in the family, it allows them too to see that good can come from evil, and that extending mercy to the innocent child instead of condemning that innocent to death for the sins of another is a grace from God.
 
stpurl said:
Whereas supporting the mother through the pregnancy and then allowing the child to be adopted by loving adoptive parents turns a horrible rape into a chance for an innocent human being to be born and to be a grace to another family.
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I agree to this. I think the act of adopting a child is a grace from God. The child is free from condemnations with a hope of a good life.

I still disagree to say that abortion in rape victim is murder, because it is not. It is self defence. Her husband may not be as patient to her as well as to her pregnancy. Nine months of emotional distress could result in divorce. It is injustice done to her (and her whole family).
 
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JoyfulTune said:
It is self defence. Her husband may not be as patient to her as well as to her pregnancy. Nine months of emotional distress could result in divorce. It is injustice done to her (and her whole family).
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A husband who would leave a woman after she was raped would be doing her a favor.
JoyfulTune said:
I still disagree to say that abortion in rape victim is murder, because it is not. It is self defence.
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No more than mudering the rapist would be if he was bailed or not convicted.
 
stpurl said:
You are also incredibly ‘nonCatholic’ in your view. Your ‘interpretations’ of “God’s law’ are not only not Catholic Christian, they are ‘nonCatholic Christian’ as well. “Heir of the rapist?” Seriously what?
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Deuteronomy 5:9-10
9… I, Yahweh, am your God, a jealous God, who punishes the children until the third and fourth generation for the wickedness of their parents who hate me.
10 But I am merciful to the thousandth generation to those who love me and obey my commandments.
 
Cherry picking to claim your interpretation means that God would ‘hate’ an innocent child in the womb. And conflating ‘hate’ to ‘approve of kiling’.
 
It is a sad thing that you do not trust the bible.
stpurl said:
And conflating ‘hate’ to ‘approve of kiling’.
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Not true.

The hater is the rapist & the culture that exploit women & children.
 
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JoyfulTune said:
I still disagree to say that abortion in rape victim is murder, because it is not. It is self defence. Her husband may not be as patient to her as well as to her pregnancy. Nine months of emotional distress could result in divorce. It is injustice done to her (and her whole family).
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It seems that you are arguing that it is o.k. to kill others in order to avoid the possibility of emotional distress or spousal abuse.
Husbands who commit injustice towards their wives are being abusive.
Why would you want a woman to kill a child in order to remain with an abusive husband?
 
I absolutely trust the Bible. What I don’t trust is your twisted interpretation of it.
 
The Bible say —that it is not self-interpreting, NOR that your ‘private interpretation’ is permitted. See Peter, Chapter 2.

I’m not sure that English is your primary language so it may be that you are simply having trouble expressing yourself, but if you were ‘raised Catholic’ as your profile states and you are posting on a Catholic forum on a Catholic topic, you should not be surprised to see Catholic teachings upheld over your ‘ecumenical’ and personal interpretations.
 
JoyfulTune said:
Now you accuse the victim’s husband as abusive.
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Not at all. You argued that a husband could be impatient and it seemed that you were using this in an attempt to justify the killing of the child by her mother.
A level of impatience so great, that a mother would feel so bullied that she could envision killing her child , would qualify as abuse in the minds of many.
In your hypothetical situation, I would contend, the husband’s impatience could be considered abuse.
Of course, in real life, I would hope that no husband would be abusive. If a husband were to be abusive, i hope that a wife would not respond by participating in abuse or murder herself.
Catholic teaching tells us that two wrongs do not equal a right and that it is immoral to do wrong in the hopes of achieving an end.
 
JoyfulTune said:
The child is not a third party. By God’s law, that child is the heir of the rapist. And if the mom cannot forgive the rapist father , that child will be living while paying the sin of his father, while all the on-lookers have long forget about both mom & the child, because they have their own family to attend to.
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The child is an innocent 3rd party, having no responsibility for the acts of the father.

From where are you getting this nonsense?
 
JoyfulTune said:
Now you accuse the victim’s husband as abusive.
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You did just that - suggesting that he’d leave her because she was raped and fell pregnant. Seemingly you defend that action. Why kill an innocent child in order to remain with a man who does not love his wife?
 
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JoyfulTune:
The child is not a third party. By God’s law, that child is the heir of the rapist. And if the mom cannot forgive the rapist father , that child will be living while paying the sin of his father, while all the on-lookers have long forget about both mom & the child, because they have their own family to attend to.
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The child is an innocent 3rd party, having no responsibility for the acts of the father.

From where are you getting this nonsense?
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From here :
JoyfulTune said:
Deuteronomy 5:9-10
9… I, Yahweh, am your God, a jealous God, who punishes the children until the third and fourth generation for the wickedness of their parents who hate me.
10 But I am merciful to the thousandth generation to those who love me and obey my commandments.
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JoyfulTune said:
I, Yahweh, am your God, a jealous God, who punishes the children until the third and fourth generation for the wickedness of their parents who hate me.
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Neither you, nor I, nor a mother have the right to kill a child and claiming that such killing is a manifestation of God’s punishment seems, to me, to border on blasphemy as it confuses the sacred with the profane.
 
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So your idea is that the mother shall put herself in the place of Yahweh? That makes a lot of sense. :roll_eyes:
 
Look, the child is not the rapist just as you are not your father… Being connected is different from being the same.

I am sorry to inform you but if you can’t even make this obvious distinction, then you are unfit to judge what is best for the mother, the child and the rapist.
 
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