Protestant Questions About Purgatory

[Lilyflower]

That is interesting since Jesus fed 5000 people FISH!!!

Do you really believe He fed 5000-people? I think it is a case of chinese wispers. It may have been a lot, I mean several hundred but I doubt it was 5000!!!

He may also have found eating meat abhorent but went along with it as He knew His poor ignorant followers were at the end of the day mere flesh who knew no better. Rember the Holy Spirit had not descended on them at this juncture.

 

[JRKH]

Do you really believe He fed 5000-people? I think it is a case of chinese wispers. It may have been a lot, I mean several hundred but I doubt it was 5000!!!

He may also have found eating meat abhorent but went along with it as He knew His poor ignorant followers were at the end of the day mere flesh who knew no better. Rember the Holy Spirit had not descended on them at this juncture.

I think that the Bible said He fed 5000. Plus he required the Apostles to gather up the leftovers so that none would be wasted.
I cannot speak to what He may have found abhorant except to say that:

He gave us HIS FLESH to eat and HIS BLOOD to drink. Which we do each time we take communion.

Do you really think that Jesus would have a problem with meat eating considering that animal sacrifice was a religiously required practice in the Old Covenent. Also, Mosaic not only didn’t prohibit meat, but specified what types of meat were acceptable.

It’s a stretch to say that God, or Jesus has a problem with our eating meat. If He didn’t want us to, he could have simply made us unable to digest it. After all there are many things we can’t digest too well. Grass for example.

Peace
James

 

[grandfather]

I just do not believe God intended us to live by eating corpses.
It sounds really gruesome. Go kill a living body then when it is a corpse, cut up or tear off the flesh then eat it. That is truely grotesque. Satanic I’d say. I think that destroying life then ‘eating meat’ are parts of the fall.

When the stores sell freezers I just do not understand why they do not just call a spade a spade and advertise ‘Mortuaries for sale’

Lil,

Do you think all the Old Testament stories, dozens of them, where God had animals killed, roasted, boiled, and eaten, as in the Passover meal, but many other instances as well were satanic? Was Moses too stupid to realize that commanding the Jews to kill and eat animals not in touch with God that he would do something so evil? What about Peter’s revelation to kill and eat the animals. What about the current pope and all the popes whoever lived being carnivores. Does God protect them from teaching doctrinal error, but leave them igonroant on this satanic practice of eating corpses?

 

[Protestant101]

101, you now sound like a closet Mormon?!? Hey, where is vegetarianism in the bible? Oh, wait! It IS in the bible. Cain tried it. Pour me a cup, Cathdefender!

Nice barbs po18guy. But because of them; you are the one who just proved something…

 

[Cathdefender]

Nice barbs po18guy. But because of them; you are the one who just proved something…

Oh please, we are waiting on your answer, you are the one who cannot answer choosing to only let us know your Protestant faith is weak…

 

[Protestant101]

It’s a stretch to say that God, or Jesus has a problem with our eating meat. If He didn’t want us to, he could have simply made us unable to digest it. After all there are many things we can’t digest too well. Grass for example.

Peace
James

We cannot digest lies very well either, not to say you are lying, but you are repeating a lie.

Our bodies actually are not made for meat-eating, and if you were to look into it, you would see all the diseases caused by meats, both tainted and untainted. A study of the anatomy and physiology of the intestines of dogs, as opposed to humans would prove my point easily. Jesus actually does have a problem with people not doing what they know to be best for them.

Neither can Christians digest lies about what happens after we die. Many are discovering that the Bible discloses things about death and dying that continue to go ignored or rejected in Catholic dogma; especially in their Catholic Apocrypha, Rome was wise in “canonizing” Maccabbees because it defies the Bible on several key points about what happens after we die, and gives them the “proof” they need so desperately.

 

[JRKH]

We cannot digest lies very well either, not to say you are lying, but you are repeating a lie.

Our bodies actually are not made for meat-eating, and if you were to look into it, you would see all the diseases caused by meats, both tainted and untainted. A study of the anatomy and physiology of the intestines of dogs, as opposed to humans would prove my point easily. Jesus actually does have a problem with people not doing what they know to be best for them.

Truth be told Humans. like most primates are omnivores.
You eat your veggies - I’ll eat my meat.
Guess what - We’ll both die anyway!
I’m far less concerned about this life than I am about the next.

Neither can Christians digest lies about what happens after we die. Many are discovering that the Bible discloses things about death and dying that continue to go ignored or rejected in Catholic dogma; especially in their Catholic Apocrypha, **Rome was wise in “canonizing” Maccabbees because it defies the Bible **on several key points about what happens after we die, and gives them the “proof” they need so desperately.

You verrry funny :bounce:

Maccabees does not defy “the bible” Maccabees is PART OF THE BIBLE.
Always will be.

Peace
James

 

[SD_Catholic]

Don’t even think about making meat eating unethical !!! That is going to far… if you don’t want to eat it then fine, but don’t try to make it Biblical and sinful… that will backfire. Jesus would not help lead people into doing something he thought was wrong… give me a break

This has nothing to do with Purgatory anyway

SD

 

[grandfather]

Our bodies actually are not made for meat-eating, and if you were to look into it, you would see all the diseases caused by meats, both tainted and untainted. A study of the anatomy and physiology of the intestines of dogs, as opposed to humans would prove my point easily. Jesus actually does have a problem with people not doing what they know to be best for them.

I have a cousin who is a PhD and a vegetarian. She is about 25. She was explaining to my father, a lifelong omnivore, about how meat is bad for one’s health. He listened to her story respectfully. Finally he said to her with a straight face that people who eat meat will not live a long life. He is 93. She did not realize he was putting her on. He drinks coffee every morning and tea with supper. He would beat anyone on this forum at scrabble and if you played cards with him better count your change. He has close to a photographic memory.

I think Paul writes pretty clearly about people who would come forbidding the eating of meat. Is that in your Bible 101?

It is interesting how people who insist all their doctrine must be explicitly stated in the Bible pull strange rules and regulations from thin air.

 

[Namesake]

Our bodies actually are not made for meat-eating, and if you were to look into it, you would see all the diseases caused by meats, both tainted and untainted. A study of the anatomy and physiology of the intestines of dogs, as opposed to humans would prove my point easily.

As one who formerly taught comparative anatomy at the University level I assure you that the human digestive tract is well adapted to an omnivorous diet. That includes meat.

Carnivores have very short alimentary canals, herbavors have long and very complex alimentary canals. Humans are somewhere in between as are all omnivors.

There are many other characteristics that humans have that show a carnivorous capability. Large sharp canine teeth, sharp incisor teeth, forward looking eyes, as well as the appropriate digestive system for digesting meat.

There are no diseases caused by eating meat unless the meat is contaminated.

 

[Protestant101]

Don’t even think about making meat eating unethical !!! That is going to far… if you don’t want to eat it then fine, but don’t try to make it Biblical and sinful… that will backfire. Jesus would not help lead people into doing something he thought was wrong… give me a break

This has nothing to do with Purgatory anyway

SD

LOL; hey, don’t worry! The tumors and other things in that beef you eat “won’t hurt you,” as long as it’s well-cooked. I only mentioned the topic because someone else brought it up above, and they made some very unknowledgeable statements about meat-eating/vegetarianism. I have many years as a health professional in my past, and do have some qualifications to speak on such matters with some accurate knowledge. You won’t be able to disprove what I have said about it, but I will save further comments for another topic, if someone is interested.

I then drew the paralell from that to purgatory, and how people get spiritual dyspepsia from spiritual lies. I see purgatory as one of those lies. The Bible seems to agree with my opinion. There is no need to re-do or try to improve upon the Sacrifice of Christ, through purgatory, or Eucharist, or confessing to a Priest

 

[Techno2000]

LOL; hey, don’t worry! The tumors and other things in that beef you eat “won’t hurt you,” as long as it’s well-cooked. I only mentioned the topic because someone else brought it up above, and they made some very unknowledgeable statements about meat-eating/vegetarianism. I have many years as a health professional in my past, and do have some qualifications to speak on such matters with some accurate knowledge. You won’t be able to disprove what I have said about it, but I will save further comments for another topic, if someone is interested.

I then drew the paralell from that to purgatory, and how people get spiritual dyspepsia from spiritual lies. I see purgatory as one of those lies. The Bible seems to agree with my opinion. There is no need to re-do or try to improve upon the Sacrifice of Christ, through purgatory, or Eucharist, or confessing to a Priest

So, why did the Protestants come along re-do and try to improve upon everything 1500 years later ?

 

[po18guy]

:coffeeread: :coffeeread:
Ok, so now we must both wait…Pro101 will never answer the question because he doesn’t have, or no the answer. Another ‘weakness’ in the Protestant faith…

Well, 34,999 Protestant denominations disagree with much of his theology, while reading from the exact same KJV! So much for sola scriptura. So much or “the final authority”. So much for “scriptural sufficiency”. So much for blah blah blah…

 

[po18guy]

I only mentioned the topic because someone else brought it up above, and they made some very unknowledgeable statements about meat-eating/vegetarianism.

The only “beef” I have is with the paper-thin theology of sola scriptura and those it has lead astray.

I have many years as a health professional in my past, and do have some qualifications to speak on such matters with some accurate knowledge.

Do you judge the Creator God to be wrong for giving us canine teeth, and for commanding us to eat “the fattened calf”? Good call!

I then drew the paralell from that to purgatory, and how people get spiritual dyspepsia from spiritual lies. I see purgatory as one of those lies. The Bible seems to agree with my opinion. There is no need to re-do or try to improve upon the Sacrifice of Christ, through purgatory, or Eucharist, or confessing to a Priest

CAUTION: I have bolded some of 101’s words!!! Private interpretation once again. Hey, I thought scripture is 100% clear! It doesn’t “SEEM” to do anything, right?

Riddle me this, Batman:

Colossians 1:24 Paul’s Labor for the Church ] “Now I rejoice in what was suffered for you, and I fill up in my flesh what is still lacking in regard to Christ’s afflictions, for the sake of his body, which is the church.”

What did Paul think was lacking in Christ’s afflictions?

So, everything that Christ said and did, in your opinion, applied only to the Apostles? Like founding His church on Peter, giving them power over sin, the power to bind and loose? His commands, etc etc etc…? You “SEEM” to imply this by casually dismissing the extreme POWER Christ gave the Apostles-knowing beforehand what they would do with that power. One thing they did was to hand that power on to their successors. Christ knew this when He bestowed the power on them. You have a better explanation?

CAUTION: I have bolded some of my own words!!! :bigyikes:

Inquiring minds want to know.

Christ’s peace.

 

[grandfather]

As one who formerly taught comparative anatomy at the University level I assure you that the human digestive tract is well adapted to an omnivorous diet. That includes meat.

Carnivores have very short alimentary canals, herbavors have long and very complex alimentary canals. Humans are somewhere in between as are all omnivors.

There are many other characteristics that humans have that show a carnivorous capability. Large sharp canine teeth, sharp incisor teeth, forward looking eyes, as well as the appropriate digestive system for digesting meat.

There are no diseases caused by eating meat unless the meat is contaminated.

Namesake,
You don’t understand. Protesant101 is talking about his religion. If you hope to explain to him anything about the human digestive system you will have to do so by using the Bible. His religion says meat eating is verboten. Since this is a religious matter to him and his religion says the Bible has all authority in the same you will have to appeal to the Bible. Your credentials in the field of anatomy are of no account. If you ask him to find a Biblical
injunction that makes it verboten to eat meat he can’t, but that is your problem not his. If that sounds irrational to you that is also your problem. He likes to begin arguments. When his arguments fail in reason, he becomes sarcastic, irrational or ignores the questions posed to him hoping the silence will be overlooked (still waiting!!!). His religion also has concocted other beliefs which are not Biblical, but that group is more concerned about Catholic beliefs they are sure contradict their reading of the Bible. It all makes perfect sense to them. P101, we love you. We wish you every possible blessing, peace, joy, mercy, love and life eternal.

 

[grandfather]

As one who formerly taught comparative anatomy at the University level I assure you that the human digestive tract is well adapted to an omnivorous diet. That includes meat.

Carnivores have very short alimentary canals, herbavors have long and very complex alimentary canals. Humans are somewhere in between as are all omnivors.

There are many other characteristics that humans have that show a carnivorous capability. Large sharp canine teeth, sharp incisor teeth, forward looking eyes, as well as the appropriate digestive system for digesting meat.

There are no diseases caused by eating meat unless the meat is contaminated.

Namesake,
You don’t understand. Protesant101 is talking about his religion. If you hope to explain to him anything about the human digestive system you will have to do so by using the Bible. His religion says meat eating is verboten. Since this is a religious matter to him and his religion says the Bible has all authority in the same you will have to appeal to the Bible. Your credentials in the field of anatomy are of no account. If you ask him to find a Biblical
injunction that makes it verboten to eat meat he can’t, but that is your problem not his. If that sounds irrational to you that is also your problem. He likes to begin arguments. When his arguments fail in reason, he becomes sarcastic, irrational or ignores the questions posed to him hoping the silence will be overlooked (still waiting!!!). His religion also has concocted other beliefs which are not Biblical, but that group is more concerned about Catholic beliefs they are sure contradict their reading of the Bible. It all makes perfect sense to them. P101, we love you. We wish you every possible blessing, peace, joy, mercy, love and life eternal.

 

[po18guy]

I just do not believe God intended us to live by eating corpses.
It sounds really gruesome. Go kill a living body then when it is a corpse, cut up or tear off the flesh then eat it. That is truely grotesque. Satanic I’d say. I think that destroying life then ‘eating meat’ are parts of the fall.

When the stores sell freezers I just do not understand why they do not just call a spade a spade and advertise ‘Mortuaries for sale’

Just because you cannot hear plants scream when you casually slice their stems doesn’t mean they don’t suffer! They are a living organism, after all. It’s herbicide! And transplanting in your garden is just tearing the veggie children out of their parents’ arms and placing them with other species. Oh, the horror!

Actually, eat all the veggies you want. But, remember that something has to die for you to live.

Christ’s peace.

 

[grandfather]

LOL; hey, don’t worry! The tumors and other things in that beef you eat “won’t hurt you,” as long as it’s well-cooked. I only mentioned the topic because someone else brought it up above, and they made some very unknowledgeable statements about meat-eating/vegetarianism. I have many years as a health professional in my past, and do have some qualifications to speak on such matters with some accurate knowledge. You won’t be able to disprove what I have said about it, but I will save further comments for another topic, if someone is interested.

 

[Protestant101]

So, why did the Protestants come along re-do and try to improve upon everything 1500 years later ?

So you admit that I am right in what I said about Catholics in my last post? Thankyou.

 

[Protestant101]

Protestant101;3787728:

There you go. You can’t show in scripture where eating meat is evil or unhealthy so you have to tell us about your job credentials.

When Catholics go to Mass or Divine Liturgy they are sitting there with the apostles and there is a place there for you. Your opinions keep you away. Do not mock this. This is the real altar call.

You totally missed the boat “grandfather” methinks you were waiting for the train. I really don’t care what you think of “meat-eating” nor was I trying to prove anything one way or the other about it, except to say that it is not as good for us as some think. I did not once say what my Biblical beliefs were about eating meat. If I wanted to “prove” something out of the Bible about diet; I certainly would not do it in this thread, so why are you?

But to say that there is a place for me at Mass; well I am sure there is, but I have been to many Masses, and saw no one eating meat. (Christ’s flesh). It is almost as preposterous a notion to me right now as is so called “purgatory.” Purgatory tries to repeat the sacrifice of Christ, with a little extra cleansing that Catholics say His blood, on Calvary, cannot do. (according to Catholics).