Protestant Questions About Purgatory

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if you are enjoying life too much, you are not doing what Jesus said to do… we are not put here to only enjoy life… though we are not prohibited from enjoying it sometimes…

Jesus said we would be hated by all becaue of Him (living as He wants, telling others about Him)… not always so “beautiful”…

and it certainly isn’t beautiful for the unborn… and mnay others…
If I am enjoying life it is because Jesus isn’t in me? You make absolutely no sense whatsoever…
You probably need to thank God that your even able to walk, talk, smell the air, see the ocean etc…I am very thankful for ALL of that. Life isn’t easy I understand because I have been through the mill, without my faith I would of ended my life years ago, or just simply became depressed or whatever. I thank God every day.
Of course there will be people who try and ruin your life, but I won’t allow it to happen. If they hate me because of Christ, well, so be it. I am ready to lay down my life for Christ if that time ever came.
If you died and went to heaven and Jesus lined up some people and told you to pick out a life that you wanted, and you picked one, it would surprise you that you picked your own life. In other words, I wouldn’t change anything in my life because everything is a learning experience. We couldn’t learn if we didn’t make mistakes, or if we didn’t have deaths. We are tested all the time.
The secret is PERSERVERANCE. I always say this because it is what all the saints had. Their perserverance had gotten them through. Their perserverance in Christ till the end, no matter what distracts you, or no matter who hates you and no matter what your life is. Trust Jesus and he will guide you.
 
It’s erh…coffee. Why don’t you answer the question? My caffeine intake is getting real bad here. I am constantly jittery and I can hardly sleep…😃 :yawn:
Hmmm, I wonder how all that dope [caffeine] :coffee: affects your “theology?” :harp:
 
Purgatory is also here on Earth… doing what Jesus commands is difficult - it involves going against our very natures… and when we do that, we are purging our souls… Saints have said that it is better to do one’s Purgatory here on Earth rather than in t he next life… It is far more painful in the next life, from what i have heard…
Right, I remember reading somewhere that Jesus told Saint Gertrude the Great(paraphrase)-“For one penny you can pay a Thousand Dollars worth of sin in this life,but in the next life(Purgatory) it will cost you a Thousand Dollars to pay for a pennys worth of sin.”
 
Hmmm, I wonder how all that dope [caffeine] :coffee: affects your “theology?” :harp:
Doesn’t affect me at all…you are the one avoiding the question, you are making your “Protestanism” look very weak… Stand up for your faith. One more time,
ANSWER THE QUESTION. 🤷
 
Jon, the sad fact is that even Lutherans have abandoned Luther for the most part!
that is not a sad fact… that is a sign that Lutherans know the Bible…
Luther was Catholic. He rebelled against, not so much the church, but corrupt members of that church.
No, at first he rebelled against corruption… Then he DID rebel againt the Church… said very blashphemous things against Her… Frankly, i feel at one point (hopefully not to the bitter end) he was possessed…
The following is not in scripture, so millions of Christians have never heard this. The Apostle John, in his last years, had to be carried to church on his mat, not being able to walk. He would often say only “Love one another” as his exhortation to the congregation. This is preserved in tradition, but lost to those who are bible only.
And this is what is sad… that few seem to do this… 😦 whether in the Church or ouside…
 
Jon,
. It is not like souls undergoing purification long to be in heaven and are prevented from entering by armed guards. They do not want to be in a place while they remain unready. They want all the dross removed, burned off. .
Whether they want the dross removed or not, they will not be allowed into Heaven because if any sin were allowed there, it would cease to be Heaven… and God will NOT have that…

thanks for the interesting story…
 
It’s erh…coffee. Why don’t you answer the question? My caffeine intake is getting real bad here. I am constantly jittery and I can hardly sleep…😃 :yawn:
I always add natural, raw cream (from a dairy that sterilizes its equipment)… and honey and a little whiskey… and sometimes maple syrup… Yum… 🙂
 
101, you now sound like a closet Mormon?!? Hey, where is vegetarianism in the bible? Oh, wait! It IS in the bible. Cain tried it. Pour me a cup, Cathdefender! 👍
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Are you saying that vegetarians are grouchy… and sometimes enough to kill??

Because that is what i have noticed… that all the vegetarians i have ever know have been very irritable and not so easy to get along with…

vegetarianism is not only not in the Bible, it is very un-healthy. I’ll bet no one here has ever heard of one living to beyond 75 (meaning a vegan, that is)…
 
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Are you saying that vegetarians are grouchy… and sometimes enough to kill??

Because that is what i have noticed… that all the vegetarians i have ever know have been very irritable and not so easy to get along with…

vegetarianism is not only not in the Bible, it is very un-healthy. I’ll bet no one here has ever heard of one living to beyond 75 (meaning a vegan, that is)…
Well, in the ancient Hebrew culture, blood was considered to be the life of a creature. That’s why the consumption of blood was banned, as it came from the worship of false gods, and the practitioners thought they obtained life by drinking the blood.

Juxtaposed to this is Christ’s commandment to drink His blood, and so have life within us. And, the obedient follow His command.

Christ’s peace.
 
101, you now sound like a closet Mormon?!? Hey, where is vegetarianism in the bible? Oh, wait! It IS in the bible. Cain tried it. Pour me a cup, Cathdefender! 👍
:coffeeread: :coffeeread:
Ok, so now we must both wait…Pro101 will never answer the question because he doesn’t have, or no the answer. Another ‘weakness’ in the Protestant faith… :rolleyes:
 
Jon,
Here is an explanation of the pains or punishment of purgatory that made sense to me. If I recall I read it in a work by Fr. Reginald Garrogou-Lagrange. He was a Dominican theologian who was John Paul II’s professor when studying for his doctorate.

When you think of punishment the image that comes to your mind is pain or discomfort being meted out. Purgatorial pain is not like that. Garrigou-Lagrange taught that the pain is caused by seeing the results and consequences of your sin. Imagine that you were driving your car and ran over a child and the child was crippled for life. You were not paying attention and could have avoided the accident if you were. How would you feel? The internal anguish of knowing you caused harm and pain to a child and made the child suffer and there was nothing you could do about it would cause you to suffer. Now imagine at judgement you see the consequneces of your sins, the harm you have caused by them as they echo across all time. Garrigou-Lagrange taught that these pains can be experienced in this life. They are accompanied with great remorse, self loathing, anguish. You know you are forgiven. You know God loves you. You are redeemed, pardoned, ransomed. You even forgive yourself, but coming face to face with the evil you have done and seeing the damage and pain it brings on others has to be suffered through.

Now imagine that when the moment of death comes you are attached to some sin. You are not yet perfected. I hope that does not happen to you, but suppose it does. Maybe you have not forgiven someone else who hurt you. There is some lingering resentment of some petty grudge. I knew a Baptist minister who I had a lot of respect for, knowing he helped many people. He had a tough life healthwise and died fairly young. He had narcolepsy for over twenty years and serious bouts with cancer, chemo, radiation, three of four times. He had a fungus that got into his brain or nervous system. A year or two before he died his wife left him for another man. In his last days she wanted to see him and say she was sorry. He was in a hosptial bed and was told she was in the building. He gave orders to not allow her in the room. She sat in the waiting room for days. She wanted to ask for forgiveness and he refused it. He made her suffer and then he died. He died with his soul clinging to bitterness and anger. He hoped for mercy and refused it to another sinful soul. I was praying that he would relent and some kind of reconciliation would happen. It did not. That was the condition and attitude he willed for his soul and it remained until his last breath. I hope he is heaven bound, but he could not enter heaven a place where there is no imperfection, in that state. It is not like souls undergoing purification long to be in heaven and are prevented from entering by armed guards. They do not want to be in a place while they remain unready. They want all the dross removed, burned off. The minister would not want to be in God’s presence full of the impurity of resentment and rancor, having withheld mercy. Seeing what he did will cause him pain, self inflicted pain. Call it torment. You can see why Catholics pray for a holy death.
Thank you so much for that. I am quite moved.
Jon
 
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Are you saying that vegetarians are grouchy… and sometimes enough to kill??

Because that is what i have noticed… that all the vegetarians i have ever know have been very irritable and not so easy to get along with…

vegetarianism is not only not in the Bible, it is very un-healthy. I’ll bet no one here has ever heard of one living to beyond 75 (meaning a vegan, that is)…
I just do not believe God intended us to live by eating corpses.
It sounds really gruesome. Go kill a living body then when it is a corpse, cut up or tear off the flesh then eat it. That is truely grotesque. Satanic I’d say. I think that destroying life then ‘eating meat’ are parts of the fall.

When the stores sell freezers I just do not understand why they do not just call a spade a spade and advertise ‘Mortuaries for sale’
 
To all meat eaters: to save burial space and not to waste good food, when your nearest and dearest die, why don’t you just cut up the meat and eat it!
 
I just do not believe God intended us to live by eating corpses.
It sounds really gruesome. Go kill a living body then when it is a corpse, cut up or tear off the flesh then eat it. That is truely grotesque. Satanic I’d say. I think that destroying life then ‘eating meat’ are parts of the fall.

When the stores sell freezers I just do not understand why they do not just call a spade a spade and advertise ‘Mortuaries for sale’
That is interesting since Jesus fed 5000 people FISH!!!😃 😃
 
To all meat eaters: to save burial space and not to waste good food, when your nearest and dearest die, why don’t you just cut up the meat and eat it!
Gee that sounds kinda Grouchy…or is it Grumpy…:whistle:

Has anyone ever noticed how the largest and strongest animals are generally vegaterian?

Of course they also tend to follow the herd and get eaten by faster, skinnier, more cunning meat eaters. 😃 😃

Hey Lily - Lighten up a little.

Peace
James
 
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