Protestant vs Orthodox - who's closer?

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AlNg said:
then sacredly worshipped thee and cried out with firm faith:
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I’m sure it was mistranslated because it should be honored but you have to remember that those prayers were not originally written in English hence the translation won’t be very accurate. If you would like, check up on what the Catechism of the Catholic Church has to say about it. https://www.vatican.va/archive/ccc_css/archive/catechism/p123a9p6.htm

Have a good day !! Dominus Vobiscum
 
And you will find others, who you call protestant, who believe that the Eucharist is the
re-presentation, within time, of Christ’s sacrifice. Making that sacrifice immediately present, in time, on the altar. And yes, Body and Blood. Truly, really and substantially the body, blood, soul and divinity, the whole of Christ, worthy of worship and adoration. Which might sound familiar to you. This real Presence, for some such folks, means transubstantiation. For some, how it happens is not important. But what happens, is. And that isn’t symbolic.

Protestants are not a uniform, unitary sort of thing. JonNC often explains that. I often make Anglican noises, to the same end.
 
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Yep.

But, as to M things, I’m multi-faceted enough use multiple methods to express the mutable concept.

Also, someone asked if I was spurious. So I’m working in a multitude of "M"s. I’ll mosey back to the main term on the morrow, maybe.
 
Fine other Christian denominations. But protestant is the term us Catholic use to define any denomination that split from the church after the 15th century. I fully understand and aware that some Christians from other denominations still hold to the traditional belief of the Eucharist. I understand that Protestants are not a uniform thing and that they all have their own beliefs pertaining to their denominations. But this isn’t the point I was trying to make in the beginning about Catholicism and Orthodox. I am genuinely sorry if I have offended any Christians by my word choice. Lots of love to my fellow Christian brethren! Dominus Vobiscum
 
No offense. But to generalize on all protestants on such points will be, generally, inaccurate.
 
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Protestantism is huge and could mean many different things as there are a wide variety of denominations. In some sense Lutherans and Anglicans are closer to us.

Now the apostolic churches such as the Eastern Orthodox (EO) and Oriental Orthodox (OO) are closer to us in the sense they venerate Mary and the saints. They have priests and bishops. They believe in apostolic succession. And they have 7 sacraments, including the Eucharist and confession.
 
As a point of reflection, during the 1920s there was a tangible possibility of communion between the Church of England and Eastern Orthodox Churches. I had read in passing (I think in a Greek text, which I frustratingly cannot remmeber) that if Parliament had approved the 1928 Book of Common Prayer, the Ecumenical likely would have recognised the CoE as autocephalous.
 
No offense taken!! Its always good to take healthy criticism. Thanks for telling me about it and I guess its really unfair to generalize all other christian denominations other than catholic and orthodox as “protestant”. Hoping one day all the christian churches will be united!! Dominus Vobiscum - (may the lord be with you). What are they key differences between the Anglican church and the Catholic church then? other than leadership?
 
Et cum spiritu tuo. My daughter was a Latin teacher.

Just as protestant is too broad to make a simple answer as to what one of them believes, Anglican is too. There is no single Anglican church. Motley, the Anglicans. Some look more like the RCC than others.
 
GKMotley said:
There is no single Anglican church.
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If you are talking about some kind of reunion or intercommunion with the Anglican and Orthodox, then the fact that there are so many differences among the Anglicans, would seem to be a serious problem. The Catholics have set up a special place in the RCC for Anglicans who convert to RC, so it seems possible that the Orthodox could do the same (for those who convert). But without conversion to the Orthodox Church, it would be a mess since in the C of E community there are female bishops, and there are bishops in SS marriages, and there are others with liberal views, who are in communion with the C of E?
 
Hmm. I learned Basic Latin attending the Latin mass. Since your daughter was a latin teacher and you have an interest in it I would like to ask you if you don’t mind if you would be willing to go see a latin mass done in the catholic church just to observe I guess? It is probably my favorite part of Catholicism. Have a wonderful day!!!
 
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GKMotley said:
I wasn’t. But someone was.
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The “you” there was meant to be an all purpose general “you” not necessarily referring to you personally. I was just expanding on the note that there was no single Anglican Church and the possible implications of that.
 
I have attended a number of RC Masses, in Latin - Tridentine. And a couple of Ordinary Form.

Once upon a time, my parish did an occasional Minor Proper, chanted in Latin.
 
True. I don’t get a pension. I get reduced compensation for reduced contribution; i.e., something for nothing.

Took a while to get there.

It is accurate to say that I have forgotten a lot more stuff than most other folks have, about a lot of things. I expect that to continue.
 
AlNg said:
C of E community there are female bishops, and there are bishops in SS marriages
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Yes, that’s largely why any potential communion between the ‘canonical’ (that is, centred upon the Abp. of Canterbury) Anglican churches and EO churches has essentially evaporated: female bishops and now bishops in same-sex partnerships.

The impetus for reapproachment with the EO arose largely from Anglo-Catholics. But Anglo-Catholicism in the 1920s was theologically orthodox (along with politically and socially conservative). Now, however, the general contours of canonical Anglo-Catholicism is very liberal. In the 1970s Patriarch Kirill worked at the World Council of Churches in Geneva, and he lamented the discussions (and then the subsequent legitimisation) amongst Anglicans of the ordination of women.

I’m not sure that EO churches are likely to establish communion with any traditionalist non-canonical Anglican communities. The ACNA, for example, is very much evangelical in character to the extent that several of their Anglo-Catholic parishes threatened schism over some issue or another (women presbyters?). There are more theologically orthodox Anglo-Catholic communities, but their membership is very small and they’re generally restricted to North America. I’m not even sure that the cost-benefit ratio is sufficiently advantageous for establishing an ‘Anglo-Orthodox’ rite or use.

Alas, it would have been interesting for the Abp of Canterbury to be known as Patriarches Anglias, vested in an omophorion and blessing the congregation using the dikirion and trikirion.
 
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Bithynian said:
blessing the congregation using the dikirion and trikirion.
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Interesting visual but wrong Rite…

If the Anglicans were to be received as an autocephalous Orthodox Church then they would essentially keep their Western Rite, thus becoming a Western Rite Orthodox Church–something that some TradOrthodox would have conniptions at the very idea (and do).

“What! You mean everything that is Orthodox is not Eastern!? Preposterous heretical scholastic innovationist mumbo-jumbo!” 😉

In fact, we do have the Western Rite, but that will open up a new can of worms:

 
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