Protestants---You must understand the Saints and why their bodies are incorruptible

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I’m sick of you people whining about “not enough” evidence. Yea you know who you are. If the Bible wasn’t enough for you look at the Early Christian Fathers and Church. Look at the miracles that continue to happen today. Look at common sense. Ok. A body doesn’t just magically not decay. They are truly incorruptible. If it’s a fluke then flukes have an odd chance of picking Catholic Saints.

“If they do not listen to Moses and the Prophets, they will not be convinced even if someone rises from the dead.” (Luke 16:31)
 
ronyodish said:
Valke2,

The picture above is a new picture of her. In this link, hold your mouse over the picture, and it will give you the old picture taken at the time of her death in 1879.

I’m not sure what was written about her in her canonization for Sainthood, but she is the person whom Our Lady appeared to at Lourdes. My Roman Catholic brethren on this forum might know more about the answer to your question, so I defer to them.

God bless,

Rony
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1907: The opening of the process for Beatification completed in 1909.
1909: September 22, the first exhumation of the body of Bernadette. The body is found completely intact.
1913: August 13, Pope Pius X allows the introduction of the cause for Beatification.
1919: April 3, 2nd exhumation to identify the body.
1923: November 18, Pius XI declares the heroic virtues of Bernadette.
1925: April 18, 3rd exhumation. The body is still intact.
June 14, the Beatification of Bernadette by Pope Pius in St. Peter’s Rome, July 18, the body of Bernadette is placed in a shrine, her face and hands are covered with a light film of wax.
1933 December 8, Feast of the Immaculate Conception, Bernadette is canonized by Pope Pius XI.
1958 The cenetary of the apparitions of Lourdes, 4 1/2 million pilgrims visit Lourdes.
1979 the cenetary of the death of St. Bernadette.
 
holdencaulfield said:
Idk, many people are canonized merely for being good people or martyrs. Some have never even done a miracle. Although the only example that I can think of off the top of my head is St. Thomas More.
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Oh please…this is hogwash. you need to learn about the thousands of saints who were martyred for the faith. And to say none ever did a miracle is not true. Many miracles are attributed to these wonderful saints who died in the name of christ.

This is another way Protestants don’t know anything about anything that is Holy.
 
Righteousone said:
Oh please…this is hogwash. you need to learn about the thousands of saints who were martyred for the faith. And to say none ever did a miracle is not true. Many miracles are attributed to these wonderful saints who died in the name of christ.

This is another way Protestants don’t know anything about anything that is Holy.
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You totally misunderstood me. My point was that there are a few saints who have not performed a miracle, yet are still saints. My example was St. Thomas More. He was martyred.
 
holdencaulfield said:
You totally misunderstood me. My point was that there are a few saints who have not performed a miracle, yet are still saints. My example was St. Thomas More. He was martyred.
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Saints are saints because they have all been attributed to at least 3 miracles when they die. That is the only way they become saints. That is why it takes many years for this process.
 
ronyodish said:
Valke2,

The picture above is a new picture of her. In this link, hold your mouse over the picture, and it will give you the old picture taken at the time of her death in 1879.

I’m not sure what was written about her in her canonization for Sainthood, but she is the person whom Our Lady appeared to at Lourdes. My Roman Catholic brethren on this forum might know more about the answer to your question, so I defer to them.

God bless,

Rony
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Yeah, I did the picture thing at the link. Pretty cool. Thanks for the info on Lourdes.
 
Righteousone said:
Saints are saints because they have all been attributed to at least 3 miracles when they die. That is the only way they become saints. That is why it takes many years for this process.
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Yes I know thats true as of now, however we have examples of many saints who have done fewer miracles. What about St. Thomas More did he do any miracles? By the way I’m not arguing anything against saints.
 
Remember that true martyrdom, chosing death over apostasy, is traditionally considered enough for canonization. It takes an amazing amount of grace to go singing to the executioner, so to speak. Many martyrs have no miracles while they live and some have none before being canonized.
 
ralphinal said:
Remember that true martyrdom, chosing death over apostasy, is traditionally considered enough for canonization. It takes an amazing amount of grace to go singing to the executioner, so to speak. Many martyrs have no miracles while they live and some have none before being canonized.
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I never said if wasn’t a cause for canonization. In fact I think that martyrdom is an excellent case for canonization.
 
holdencaulfield said:
I never said if wasn’t a cause for canonization. In fact I think that martyrdom is an excellent case for canonization.
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I never said you did. I was pointing out that martyrs are not always required to have miracles. Most people, even the boldest in their faith, would back down at that point.
 
The concept of who is a Saint has always been a bit fluid. For instance some have be downgraded for the simple reason there is no evidence that they actually ever existed. Saint Christopher the one time patron Saint of travelers is one such who was de-canonized.

Many people and places continue to venerate him despite his de-canonization, I’m not sure why they do that since I would think that if you were to ask someone for intercession, you would at least want it to be someone who actually existed.

JJ
 
Jolly_Joe said:
The concept of who is a Saint has always been a bit fluid. For instance some have be downgraded for the simple reason there is no evidence that they actually ever existed. Saint Christopher the one time patron Saint of travelers is one such who was de-canonized.

Many people and places continue to venerate him despite his de-canonization, I’m not sure why they do that since I would think that if you were to ask someone for intercession, you would at least want it to be someone who actually existed.

JJ
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I agree with what you are saying, however I think that God knows that people who ask St. Christopher to pray for them are merely asking God for protection while traveling. I think that God understands this.
 
Jolly_Joe said:
The concept of who is a Saint has always been a bit fluid. For instance some have be downgraded for the simple reason there is no evidence that they actually ever existed. Saint Christopher the one time patron Saint of travelers is one such who was de-canonized.

Many people and places continue to venerate him despite his de-canonization, I’m not sure why they do that since I would think that if you were to ask someone for intercession, you would at least want it to be someone who actually existed.

JJ
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So, your picking one saint out of thousands…and I know of no saint that has been downgraded…:confused:
 
Jolly_Joe said:
The concept of who is a Saint has always been a bit fluid. For instance some have be downgraded for the simple reason there is no evidence that they actually ever existed. Saint Christopher the one time patron Saint of travelers is one such who was de-canonized.

Many people and places continue to venerate him despite his de-canonization, I’m not sure why they do that since I would think that if you were to ask someone for intercession, you would at least want it to be someone who actually existed.

JJ
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I don’t believe he was downgraded. They still have St. Christopher memorabilia (for lack of a better word) in the Catholic gift shops. Wikipedia (although not always a great reference source) had the following to say, “Contrary to popular belief, he was not “de-canonized” and is thus still considered a saint by the Catholic Church.”

-Mark
 
EmergencyOps said:
I don’t believe he was downgraded. They still have St. Christopher memorabilia (for lack of a better word) in the Catholic gift shops. Wikipedia (although not always a great reference source) had the following to say, “Contrary to popular belief, he was not “de-canonized” and is thus still considered a saint by the Catholic Church.”

-Mark
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Here’s another article from Catholic Online that explains what happened regarding St. Christopher.
 
Not that I don’t think incorruptibility is interesting, but the only people whose graves they’re digging are Saints, so there may be plenty of “normal” people who are incorruptible as well and you’d never know.

What I actually find more interesting is when the whole body of a Saint decomposed but one part did not (for example, I heard about a Saint who was a very good preacher, and the only thing that didn’t decompose was his tongue). To me that says that what they did was so holy and brought so many to God that it could not deteriorate.
 
EmergencyOps said:
I don’t believe he was downgraded. They still have St. Christopher memorabilia (for lack of a better word) in the Catholic gift shops. Wikipedia (although not always a great reference source) had the following to say, “Contrary to popular belief, he was not “de-canonized” and is thus still considered a saint by the Catholic Church.”

-Mark
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He wasn’t downgraded. He is still a saint, he was just removed from the saints calendar.
 
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