QAnon Supporter, Wins GOP House Primary in Georgia

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a lengthy thread from a QAnon conspiracy theorist that laid out a fevered, anti-Semitic view of the world.
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Sorry Nepperhan. You will have to hold down the semite vrs. anti-semite stuff for us here.

I see all the anti-semitism I can handle coming out of leftist utopia Berkeley University.
 
I will say one thing about conspiracy theories. They often hint at a reality that’s far truer than what most people suspect.

The influence of Richard Hofstadter on American sociology is unfortunate. It’s led to the idea of the ‘paranoia style’ being a prominent theme, at least last I looked. Many people dismiss any notion of conspiracy out of hand as simply impossible if not dangerous. However, one doesn’t have to look far to see evidence of real conspiracies. There’s the conspiracy to convince the public that Iraq had WMDs, for instance.

Two books that I found very insightful were The Power Elite by C. Wright Mills and Who Owns America? by G. William Domhoff. To conclude that with common interests those in power don’t work to consolidate and protect their power, is a bit naive.
 
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I’m just not interested in researching it.

I’ll leave that to others.
 
Cathoholic said:
I’m just not interested in researching it.

I’ll leave that to others.
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Are you saying that ignorance is bliss?

" A bipartisan pair of congressmen on Tuesday introduced a resolution condemning the fringe conspiracy theory QAnon, less than a week after President Donald Trump said he “appreciates” QAnon adherents’ support.

“Conspiracy theories that falsely blame secret cabals and marginalized groups for the problems of society have long fueled prejudice, violence and terrorism” Rep. Tom Malinowski (D-N.J.) said in a statement. “It’s time for us to come together across party lines to say that QAnon has no place in our nation’s political discourse.”

Virginia Rep. Denver Riggleman, the Republican co-sponsor of the resolution, called QAnon’s beliefs “a danger and a threat that has no place in our country’s politics.” Riggleman, who was ousted by a far-right candidate in a district convention this summer after he officiated a gay wedding, has previously referred to QAnon as the “mental gonorrhea of conspiracy theories.”

The unfounded theory, which has grown in popularity among Trump’s base, claims there is a deep-state cabal of Satanist pedophiles in the U.S. government that Trump is working to defeat with the help of an anonymous figure within the government. The initial premise of the group has expanded since 2017 to embrace virtually every popular conspiracy theory of the past several decades, Malinowski and Riggleman’s resolution states.

The FBI has labeled QAnon a potential domestic terrorism threat, while the Combating Terrorism Center at the U.S. Military Academy at West Point argues that the group is “no longer simply a fringe conspiracy theory but an ideology that has demonstrated its capacity to radicalize to violence individuals at an alarming speed.”

 
StudentMI said:
To conclude that with common interests those in power don’t work to consolidate and protect their power, is a bit naive.
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best reason for voting out everyone that is currently in office. Basically, don’t ever vote for incumbents.
 
JonNC said:
First, fascists are socialists.
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No, no, no. You really should not post things like that.

Nazis (those extreme fascists) were not socialists, either.
"Were the Nazis socialists? No, not in any meaningful way, and certainly not after 1934. "

www.britannica.com

Were the Nazis Socialists?

What’s the difference between National Socialists and every other kind of socialist?
www.britannica.com www.britannica.com
 
Nepperhan said:
No, no, no. You really should not post things like that.
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What? Not tell the truth? Fascists are socialists. Socialism is government ownership or strict control of the means of production.
It’s silly to claim fascists do not do this.
Nepperhan said:
Nazis (those extreme fascists) were not socialists, either.
"Were the Nazis socialists? No, not in any meaningful way, and certainly not after 1934. "
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Of course they were. Again, they fit the definition of socialism.
 
JonNC said:
Of course they were. Again, they fit the definition of socialism.
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You post your opinionated statements as if they were facts. Learned tomes disagree with your view. Most commentator of note disagree with your view – there are always outliers as to an opinion.

Consider this: Fascism is a far-right movement and Socialism is certainly leftist. To say they are the same is at least highly illogical.

Plus your statements on political science are a deflection as to the subject of this thread. Back to the topic, please.
 
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Nepperhan said:
You post your opinionated statements as if they were facts. Learned tomes disagree with your view.
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Learned progressives disagree with me. I’m sure having the same economic mindset is uncomfortable.
Nepperhan said:
Consider this: Fascism is a far-right movement and Socialism is certainly leftist. To say they are the same is at least highly illogical.
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No. Fascism is of the left. It has all the markings of the left: authoritarian government, limits on individual rights, strict government control or ownership of the means of production.
 
So what truth do the many conspiracy theories about JFK’s assassination hint at?
 
tomarin said:
So what truth do the many conspiracy theories about JFK’s assassination hint at?
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I can’t speak for StudentMI, but for me virtually all conspiracy theories reveal something about our society. They show that many members of our society desperately want there to be someone behind the scenes pulling the strings. Even if that person, or group, is nefarious. The notion of a chaotic world in which things happen seemingly at random is very disconcerting.

Conspiracy theories are a way to bring control (in one’s mind at least) to an otherwise uncontrollable world. In that sense, Qanon is no different than a JFK assassination conspiracy. One of the reasons why conspiracy theories appear to outsiders like religious cults, is because they have the same sort of drivers: creating order out of a disordered universe, and belief resting on faith.

Please don’t get me wrong - I am NOT saying that religions and conspiracy theories are the same, just that they share two specific things in common.
 
Nepperhan said:
Consider this: Fascism is a far-right movement and Socialism is certainly leftist. To say they are the same is at least highly illogical.
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Unfortunately the state of discussion of politics in the US has degraded in recent years to the point that actual political terms are meaningless (or at least not understood).
People just think “socialism bad” and “fascism bad” so “socialism = fascism.” Recently discourse has degraded even further (at least in some corners) to Trump = good, so therefore not Trump = bad. Silly things like actual policies, and the effects of those policies on people, are no longer considered meaningful, apparently.
 
TMC said:
Unfortunately the state of discussion of politics in the US has degraded in recent years to the point that actual political terms are meaningless (or at least not understood).
People just think “socialism bad” and “fascism bad” so “socialism = fascism.”
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I’m using the traditional understanding of socialism, not the reinvented American one.
Also, no where did I equate the two because they are both bad. They are, but the fact is fascism practices state control of the means of production. That’s socialism. It’s what they do.
TMC said:
Recently discourse has degraded even further (at least in some corners) to Trump = good, so therefore not Trump = bad.
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I didn’t make that argument, either, so that’s on you. I’m more concerned about the progressive mindset that socialism, despite all the evidence that it is a failed economic model, is somehow good if we disconnect it from its 20th century reality.
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Silly things like actual policies, and the effects of those policies on people, are no longer considered meaningful, apparently.
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The policies that are bad:
  1. strong central government that puts government power in primacy over individual rights.
  2. an economic system that denies property rights and puts government in control of the means of production.
Whether you call that fascism or communism or socialism or statism or globalism, it’s destructive policy.

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JonNC said:
I’m using the traditional understanding of socialism, not the reinvented American one.
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No, you are not. Socialism and Fascism are completely different political philosophies. Thirty seconds of research will confirm that. The fact that you seem to believe that they share a characteristic that you dislike (which they don’t, really), does not make them the same thing.
 
TMC said:
No, you are not. Socialism and Fascism are completely different political philosophies.
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You’re already wrong. Fascism is a political system. It is authoritarian and denies individual rights. Socialism is an economic model that is, by historic definition, government Ownership or strict control of the means of production.
Fascists are socialists. Communists are socialists.
TMC said:
The fact that you seem to believe that they share a characteristic that you dislike (which they don’t, really), does not make them the same thing.
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They share characteristics because they share them. It has nothing to do with whether or not I like them.
 
JonNC said:
You’re already wrong.
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I think we saw this discussion in Shawshank Redemption:

RED
I heard you. “Socialism”. Let’s see now. You know, come to think of it, I have no idea what that means.

CONSERVATIVE #2
Well, it means that the means of production–

RED
I know what you think it means. Me, I think it’s a made-up word, a politician’s word. A word so Conservatives like you can wear a suit and tie and call leftists a name which sounds nasty. What do you really want to know? Am I a socialist?

CONSERVATIVE #1
Well…are you?

RED
“Socialism”? That’s a ******* word, so you just go on ahead and stamp me as a socialist, sonny, and stop wasting my **** time. Truth is, I don’t give a ****.
 
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