Question on Islam -- round 4

[Booklover]

Heya Vickie :hug3:
The problem is, some peoples software wont be compatable with that, you need to completely wipe the system to fully install the software so it works, and leave no trace of the corruption from before

Hi Ellen! Ah, very good!

Vickie

 

[planten]

No they don’t. Those laws were abolished in 2008, and even before then they were rarely used. The last successful persecution under England’s anti-blasphemy law happened in 1977, and it was against a homosexual-themed newspaper which published a blasphemous poem, not against some non-Christian religious group for disagreeing with Christianity. (source)

Thanks dzhereme, for the correction, information. It is useful.

 

[tomarin]

My question to you Tomarin is do you deny the “death penalty” under islam for apostates?
By deny I am asking in your opinion and knowledge if they occur in the middle east?

No, I don’t deny it at all. I agree with the statement that “Islam punishes apostasy with death.” I think it’s a big problem for Islam. What I’m disagreeing with is Lothair’s claim that “no Muslim disagrees with the death penalty for Islam except for Western Muslims who argue against it for disingenuous reasons.” I simply don’t see how he could know this since he doesn’t have familiarity with any of the region’s languages.

(I also don’t know how he knows with such certainty that the Western-based Muslims who do argue against it do so for disingenuous reasons – unless he’s a telepath. But that’s another big topic and I didn’t wish to bring it up because I didn’t want to provide another digression from my main point.)

 

[Muslim_Woman]

In the name of Allah , Most Gracious, Most Merciful

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Mohiuddin - India

How can we prove to our non-Muslim friends that the teachings of Prophet Mohammad (PBUH) are relevant even today?

Shahul Hameed:…Prophet taught the world these fundamental principles of Islam:

1. Allah is One and One Only; and so the universe created by Him is one — that is to say, its parts conjoin and cohere following Allah’s laws to serve His purpose.
2. All humans are Allah’s creations and as such they are equal before Him. So there is no superiority for any race, color, language, tribe, or nationality…
3. All religions were brought to the world by Allah’s own prophets and messengers; and so they are basically the same.
4. Our life in this world is not the be-all and the end-all: there is a Day of Judgment on which Allah will reward those who live a good life in obedience to Him, and will punish those who don’t.
5. Allah’s creation has a balance and proportion; and He has commanded his servants to observe balance and proportion — which constitutes the principle of justice — in their life and actions.

… teaching of the Prophet about the overarching importance of justice becomes only too apparent in today’s context of Abu Ghraib and Guantanamo.

The International Court of Justice, the UNO and all its constituent bodies are shamelessly being coerced and manipulated by the powerful countries to act as their tools, without any regard for justice. But here is Allah’s command about justice:

{O you who believe! stand out firmly for Allah, as witnesses to fair dealing, and let not the hatred of others to you make you swerve to wrong and depart from justice. Be just: that is next to piety: and fear Allah. For Allah is well-acquainted with all that you do.} (Al-Ma’idah 5:8)

Useful Links: Islam: A Solution for Contemporary Problems?

Islam & Pluralism A Contemporary Approach

True Teachings of Islam

Islam Teaches Peace

Was the Prophet Muhammad Racist?

Islam, Universalism, and Relativism

Universality and Humanism

Civility… a Universal Human Virtue

Getting the Message Across in Today’s World

Should World Religions Unite Against Immorality?

Does Shariah Law Support Inequality?

Equal Rights for Women

Relevance of the Prophet’s Legacy Today (Live Talk)

readingislam.com/servlet/Satellite?cid=1235628779160&pagename=IslamOnline-English-AAbout_Islam%2FAskAboutIslamE%2FAskAboutIslamE

 

[R_not]

Mohiuddin - India

How can we prove to our non-Muslim friends that the teachings of Prophet Mohammad (PBUH) are relevant even today?

Shahul Hameed:…Prophet taught the world these fundamental principles of Islam:

1. Allah is One and One Only; and so the universe created by Him is one — that is to say, its parts conjoin and cohere following Allah’s laws to serve His purpose.
2. All humans are Allah’s creations and as such they are equal before Him. So there is no superiority for any race, color, language, tribe, or nationality…
3. All religions were brought to the world by Allah’s own prophets and messengers; and so they are basically the same.
4. Our life in this world is not the be-all and the end-all: there is a Day of Judgment on which Allah will reward those who live a good life in obedience to Him, and will punish those who don’t.
5. Allah’s creation has a balance and proportion; and He has commanded his servants to observe balance and proportion — which constitutes the principle of justice — in their life and actions.

… teaching of the Prophet about the overarching importance of justice becomes only too apparent in today’s context of Abu Ghraib and Guantanamo.

The International Court of Justice, the UNO and all its constituent bodies are shamelessly being coerced and manipulated by the powerful countries to act as their tools, without any regard for justice. But here is Allah’s command about justice:

{O you who believe! stand out firmly for Allah, as witnesses to fair dealing, and let not the hatred of others to you make you swerve to wrong and depart from justice. Be just: that is next to piety: and fear Allah. For Allah is well-acquainted with all that you do.} (Al-Ma’idah 5:8)

Useful Links: Islam: A Solution for Contemporary Problems?

Islam & Pluralism A Contemporary Approach

True Teachings of Islam

Islam Teaches Peace

Was the Prophet Muhammad Racist?

Islam, Universalism, and Relativism

Universality and Humanism

Civility… a Universal Human Virtue

Getting the Message Across in Today’s World

Should World Religions Unite Against Immorality?

Does Shariah Law Support Inequality?

Equal Rights for Women

Relevance of the Prophet’s Legacy Today (Live Talk)

Most of the points you brought up are just rehashing what others have said. What we bring up is what islam is really about for non-muslims: death, conversion or subjugation.

And then you blantanly lie about sharia laws. It has no equal rights for women, or non-muslims.

Yes, religions of the world should unite against immorality - and religions whose primary goal is death, conversion and subjugation.

islam does not teach peace. It teaches intolerance to gays, women, non-muslims, and even animals. If it taught peace there would be no slavery in islam - but there is. If it taught peace there would be no burkas and scarves, and whatever else you call your tents that women wear because men cannot behave themselves properly, in islam. It teaches that men are not held accountable for their behavior against anyone they are told are not the same as them - believers. So, women and unbelievers are ‘fair game’ for them. because even in rape - if they don’t bring a circus (4 witnesses) to the rape - they can get away with it and the woman is murdered.

It teaches that a man who was one of the most dispicable men on earth is someone that they want to emulate. It twists love/hate, peace/war and toleration and justice all up. It says that if one kills unbelievers that they will get a straight pass to their orgy in heaven.

Sorry, I don’t see anything peaceful, or even nice, about islam.

 

[Booklover]

Most of the points you brought up are just rehashing what others have said. What we bring up is what islam is really about for non-muslims: death, conversion or subjugation.

And then you blantanly lie about sharia laws. It has no equal rights for women, or non-muslims.

Yes, religions of the world should unite against immorality - and religions whose primary goal is death, conversion and subjugation.

islam does not teach peace. It teaches intolerance to gays, women, non-muslims, and even animals. If it taught peace there would be no slavery in islam - but there is. If it taught peace there would be no burkas and scarves, and whatever else you call your tents that women wear because men cannot behave themselves properly, in islam. It teaches that men are not held accountable for their behavior against anyone they are told are not the same as them - believers. So, women and unbelievers are ‘fair game’ for them. because even in rape - if they don’t bring a circus (4 witnesses) to the rape - they can get away with it and the woman is murdered.

It teaches that a man who was one of the most dispicable men on earth is someone that they want to emulate. It twists love/hate, peace/war and toleration and justice all up. It says that if one kills unbelievers that they will get a straight pass to their orgy in heaven.

Sorry, I don’t see anything peaceful, or even nice, about islam.

Vickie

 

[Lothair]

No, I don’t deny it at all. I agree with the statement that “Islam punishes apostasy with death.” I think it’s a big problem for Islam. What I’m disagreeing with is Lothair’s claim that “no Muslim disagrees with the death penalty for Islam except for Western Muslims who argue against it for disingenuous reasons.” I simply don’t see how he could know this since he doesn’t have familiarity with any of the region’s languages.

(I also don’t know how he knows with such certainty that the Western-based Muslims who do argue against it do so for disingenuous reasons – unless he’s a telepath. But that’s another big topic and I didn’t wish to bring it up because I didn’t want to provide another digression from my main point.)

Dhimmi Tomarin:

Again, using your line of reasoning I would have to speak all of the region’s languages in order to form an opinion. We have covered this.

Also, Muslims here in the West often speak against apostacy laws while speaking to Chrisitan audiences, then say the complete opposite when addressing fellow Muslism. Like it or not, that is convincing evidnence of duplicity and a classic espionage.

 

[tomarin]

Lothair,

I could respond in kind to your schoolyard taunts but I choose not to. Peace of Christ be with you.

Tomarin

 

[Aydan]

No, I don’t deny it at all. I agree with the statement that “Islam punishes apostasy with death.” I think it’s a big problem for Islam. What I’m disagreeing with is Lothair’s claim that “no Muslim disagrees with the death penalty for Islam except for Western Muslims who argue against it for disingenuous reasons.” I simply don’t see how he could know this since he doesn’t have familiarity with any of the region’s languages.

(I also don’t know how he knows with such certainty that the Western-based Muslims who do argue against it do so for disingenuous reasons – unless he’s a telepath. But that’s another big topic and I didn’t wish to bring it up because I didn’t want to provide another digression from my main point.)

This one is easy to answer its not that you don’t understand his point of view it’s that you don’t want to understand and you’re using the language difference as a red herring because you disagree with him. Languages have nothing to do with it you won’t even listen to people who do have knowledge of those languages. You are just looking for someone who agrees with your point of view and happens to speak one or more of the Middle Eastern languages.
I don’t think every single Muslim advocates the death penalty for people who leave Islam but I do believe it is a widely held belief that apostates should be killed in Muslim countries like Iraq Iran and of course Saudi Arabia but I do not believe that the majority of Turks think apostates should be killed but of course those that want Islamic law in Turkey also believe that apostates should be killed.

 

[tomarin]

This one is easy to answer its not that you don’t understand his point of view it’s that you don’t want to understand and you’re using the language difference as a red herring because you disagree with him. Languages have nothing to do with it you won’t even listen to people who do have knowledge of those languages.

Languages have something to do with it. You’re mistaken about me: I will listen to people who disagree with me who have the requisite knowledge. I don’t consider the matter closed.

You are just looking for someone who agrees with your point of view and happens to speak one or more of the Middle Eastern languages.

No, not necessarily. What makes you so sure I’m only looking for evidence that confirms my own point of view?

I don’t think every single Muslim advocates the death penalty for people who leave Islam but I do believe it is a widely held belief that apostates should be killed in Muslim countries like Iraq Iran and of course Saudi Arabia but I do not believe that the majority of Turks think apostates should be killed but of course those that want Islamic law in Turkey also believe that apostates should be killed.

That sounds reasonable to me. It seems you agree with me and disagree with Lothair’s absolutist statement. You’re not a secret Muslim by any chance? (Just kidding.)

 

[Aydan]

Languages have something to do with it. You’re mistaken about me: I will listen to people who disagree with me who have the requisite knowledge. I don’t consider the matter closed.
Okay I wouldn’t consider the matter closed either. Can you please explain to me why it is so important for a person to be able to speak the language before they can render their opinion on a subject? I just do not understand the point you’re making here unless you are saying he cannot understand documents in their cultural contacts is that what you are saying?

No, not necessarily. What makes you so sure I’m only looking for evidence that confirms my own point of view?
** I think that because you keep going back to the fact that people don’t have any right to speak on something unless they can speak the language. it makes absolutely no sense to me. If I had a document that I couldn’t understand and I wanted to get a Turkish cultural context I would ask one of my Turkish speaking friends to translate for me even if I was completely fluent in Turkish The reason for that it is even if you are fluent in Turkish you cannot understand the cultural context unless you have actually lived in Turkey and experienced the culture so that is why I would ask a Turk to translate the document…**

That sounds reasonable to me. It seems you agree with me and disagree with Lothair’s absolutist statement. You’re not a secret Muslim by any chance? (Just kidding.)

Well yes if I take his statement literally I am disagreeing with it but the way I read the statement he was just generalizing that that is a commonly held view point among Muslims especially those in Muslim countries.  Please correct me if I'm wrong on that Lothair.

Me a Muslim? Nope never have and never will be I have a hard enough time explaining to my fellow Catholics that yes there are actually Christians in Turkey.

 

[morning_star777]

jakasaki, there is no question of denying the death penalties in the middle east. They are very much available in the far east too. But the question is, "Is that Islamic?" The reply is “No.” “No thanks.” And mind the bigots too and their home made brutal laws.

Yes sir,That is Islamic.If Hadiths are not anti Islamic literature then indeed death penalty Is Islamic.And home made brutal laws?No planten,there is no home made law in Islam but Your prophet taught all laws.BTW,do you really not believe even the Hadiths of Bukhari or Muslim?What type of Muslim you are?once you told that you are sunni,but some says that you are Ahmadi!Even Muhammed did the same thing to Non Muslims.

Volume 2, Book 23, Number 413:
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Narrated 'Abdullah bin 'Umar :

The Jew brought to the Prophet a man and a woman from amongst them who have committed (adultery) illegal sexual intercourse. He ordered both of them to be stoned (to death), near the place of offering the funeral prayers beside the mosque." **

But planten I know you do not trust any Hadith so forget it.

 

[tomarin]

Okay I wouldn’t consider the matter closed either. Can you please explain to me why it is so important for a person to be able to speak the language before they can render their opinion on a subject?

I’m not saying one cannot be reasonably informed about another culture and its internal debates without speaking the language. That’s what he (and you apparently) understood my remarks to mean but that is not what I am saying. You can rely on other’s reports and translations and so on. However, if you are going to say that there is absolutely no disagreement about the death penalty for apostasy in contemporary Islamic countries (as opposed to the pre-modern era), then it’s hard to believe one could have the kind of wide access to information to make that judgement unless one understood a local language. Because translation does not cover most documents in a case such as this, and it certainly won’t cover many current documents. Therefore his claim is suspect.

Well yes if I take his statement literally I am disagreeing with it

How else can one take it but literally? He wrote very plainly. I don’t think he left any room for nuance and he did not really alter his stance after I challenged him (although for a while I was under the impression he did; for that I owe him an apology).

but the way I read the statement he was just generalizing that that is a commonly held view point among Muslims especially those in Muslim countries. Please correct me if I’m wrong on that Lothair.

If that’s what he meant then he should have said that. I’ve learned to be alert to when people use such absolute terms as never, no one, etc. because it often indicates a tendency toward inflexible, oversimplified thinking.

Me a Muslim? Nope never have and never will be I have a hard enough time explaining to my fellow Catholics that yes there are actually Christians in Turkey.

Of course there were Christians in Turkey long before it was a Muslim country. I joke about being a Muslim because I was accused of being one when I messed with the Lothair.

 

[jakasaki]

Yes sir,That is Islamic.If Hadiths are not anti Islamic literature then indeed death penalty Is Islamic.And home made brutal laws?No planten,there is no home made law in Islam but Your prophet taught all laws.BTW,do you really not believe even the Hadiths of Bukhari or Muslim?What type of Muslim you are?once you told that you are sunni,but some says that you are Ahmadi!Even Muhammed did the same thing to Non Muslims.

Volume 2, Book 23, Number 413:
**
Narrated 'Abdullah bin 'Umar :

The Jew brought to the Prophet a man and a woman from amongst them who have committed (adultery) illegal sexual intercourse. He ordered both of them to be stoned (to death), near the place of offering the funeral prayers beside the mosque." **

But planten I know you do not trust any Hadith so forget it.

If I’m not mistaken, Planten is Ahmadi <-spelling??

And although they themselves call each other a muslim, the rest of the muslims like sunny and shia do not look at them as muslims.

 

[Lothair]

I’m not saying one cannot be reasonably informed about another culture and its internal debates without speaking the language. That’s what he (and you apparently) understood my remarks to mean but that is not what I am saying. You can rely on other’s reports and translations and so on. However, if you are going to say that there is absolutely no disagreement about the death penalty for apostasy in contemporary Islamic countries (as opposed to the pre-modern era), then it’s hard to believe one could have the kind of wide access to information to make that judgement unless one understood a local language. Because translation does not cover most documents in a case such as this, and it certainly won’t cover many current documents. Therefore his claim is suspect.

How else can one take it but literally? He wrote very plainly. I don’t think he left any room for nuance and he did not really alter his stance after I challenged him (although for a while I was under the impression he did; for that I owe him an apology).

If that’s what he meant then he should have said that. I’ve learned to be alert to when people use such absolute terms as never, no one, etc. because it often indicates a tendency toward inflexible, oversimplified thinking.

Of course there were Christians in Turkey long before it was a Muslim country. I joke about being a Muslim because I was accused of being one when I messed with the Lothair.

Dhimmi Tomarin has made it exceedingly clear that, in his view, critics of Islam need to speak an ‘Islamic language’ [my term] but he is willing to make exceptions for practicioners of Islam who only speak one of the hundreds of Indo-European languages. He also appears ready to find fault with European culture, history and religious practice, though he himself does not speak each and every one of these languages. In short, he seems willing to establish one rule for criticising Islam and another rule for everything else. Practicing, preaching and defending Islam is fine in English, but using English translations in critiquing doctrine or estimating Islamic plans is suspect.

I was being quite literal in my choice of words, and followed up in later post to clarify my point. Hither it is again: I am not interested in whether some editorial page of an insignifcant journal from Qatar published an article arguing for leniency for apostates. I only follow leading Islamic opinion, and not dawaganda from Islamist or their dhimmi servants. Lastly, I pointed out that Islamic disinformation on the subject of apostacy can be found in reviewing Islamist who say one thing while speaking to Western audiences, then cede to orthodox opinion when speaking after Friday prayers at the mosque. This only adds to the volumes of evidence that ‘Muslims in the West are full of s**t’ [my paraphrase of my own statement].

Tomarin trys to draw a distinction between ‘old Islam’ and ‘new Islam’ while I am speaking of ‘orthodox Islam’. If dhimmi Tomarin wasn’t so quick to defend Islam, then maybe he would start seeing the picture I am ***actually ***advocating.

I do have wide access to translations, peer reviewed for accuracy, which are every bit as reliable as the Islamic apologetics Tomarin relies on in his defense of Muhammadism.

I too have learned to be alert…

 

[Sister_Amy]

Dhimmi Tomarin has made it exceedingly clear that, in his view, critics of Islam need to speak an ‘Islamic language’ [my term] but he is willing to make exceptions for practicioners of Islam who only speak one of the hundreds of Indo-European languages. He also appears ready to find fault with European culture, history and religious practice, though he himself does not speak each and every one of these languages. In short, he seems willing to establish one rule for criticising Islam and another rule for everything else. Practicing, preaching and defending Islam is fine in English, but using English translations in critiquing doctrine or estimating Islamic plans is suspect.

That’s rather insulting to call tomarin a “dhimmi,” especially since he’s just not falling for your argument. I’m picking on you in particular because I’ve noticed lately that a lot of people seem to be ganging up on tomarin for not doing anything other than pointing out the flaws in your argument. From what I’ve seen, his knowledge seems to be broader than my own, especially regarding history and politics, and it looks like he’s trying to be honest and objective, and when things aren’t peachy he won’t pretend they are. It makes me wonder what folks are afraid of, when they start picking on people like tomarin.

I was being quite literal in my choice of words, and followed up in later post to clarify my point. Hither it is again: I am not interested in whether some editorial page of an insignifcant journal from Qatar published an article arguing for leniency for apostates. I only follow leading Islamic opinion, and not dawaganda from Islamist or their dhimmi servants. Lastly, I pointed out that Islamic disinformation on the subject of apostacy can be found in reviewing Islamist who say one thing while speaking to Western audiences, then cede to orthodox opinion when speaking after Friday prayers at the mosque. This only adds to the volumes of evidence that ‘Muslims in the West are full of s**t’ [my paraphrase of my own statement].

Dawaganda? That’s a great word! Do you mind if I use it? Very clever. Only problem is that you don’t follow leading Islamic opinion–because leading Islamic opinion is the “dawaganda” as you call it. What you follow, based on your signature, are just those who have an agenda to malign Islam. Not exactly ‘objective critics.’

Tomarin trys to draw a distinction between ‘old Islam’ and ‘new Islam’ while I am speaking of ‘orthodox Islam’. If dhimmi Tomarin wasn’t so quick to defend Islam, then maybe he would start seeing the picture I am ***actually ***advocating.

I do have wide access to translations, peer reviewed for accuracy, which are every bit as reliable as the Islamic apologetics Tomarin relies on in his defense of Muhammadism.

I too have learned to be alert…

Could you please do me a favor, just as I’m curious, and let me know some of your sources, validating your opinion?

 

[Lothair]

That’s rather insulting to call tomarin a “dhimmi,” especially since he’s just not falling for your argument. I’m picking on you in particular because I’ve noticed lately that a lot of people seem to be ganging up on tomarin for not doing anything other than pointing out the flaws in your argument. From what I’ve seen, his knowledge seems to be broader than my own, especially regarding history and politics, and it looks like he’s trying to be honest and objective, and when things aren’t peachy he won’t pretend they are. It makes me wonder what folks are afraid of, when they start picking on people like tomarin.

Dawaganda? That’s a great word! Do you mind if I use it? Very clever. Only problem is that you don’t follow leading Islamic opinion–because leading Islamic opinion is the “dawaganda” as you call it. What you follow, based on your signature, are just those who have an agenda to malign Islam. Not exactly ‘objective critics.’

Could you please do me a favor, just as I’m curious, and let me know some of your sources, validating your opinion?

Sister Amy:

Having you so eagerly jump in to defend dhimmi Tomarin did little to help his claim of Christian objectivity. He isn’t just questioning my logic or pointing out ‘flaws in my argument’, he is ignoring it altogether and filtering my comments thru his dhimmi bias.

Since when is being called a ‘dhimmi’ an insult? After all, ‘Muslim Woman’ mentioned the term and reminded us all of what a pleasure it is to be a protected minority in an Islamic society. What’s the problem?

My signature leaves no doubt which side of this I am on. I do not say one thing in front of such-and-such a group, only to brag about their weakness and ignorance when speaking before my own constituency. That is the ***definition ***of ‘dawaganda’, and yes, you may use the term; however, it is only permissible to use when speaking of the forms of ‘taqqiya’ common with the Muhammadan apologists.

The writers at Answering Islam.org use only authentic Muslim sources and orthodox opinion from both modern and historical texts. If that bothers you, then maybe you need to ask yourself why you are still a Muslim.

One of the things I have noticed about Dhimmi Tomarin is that his rapid fire posts tend to focus on the West, leaving Islam as peachy and polished as possible.

Truly,

Emp. Lothair of Lorraine [Ret.]

 

[jakasaki]

Sister Amy:

Having you so eagerly jump in to defend dhimmi Tomarin did little to help his claim of Christian objectivity. He isn’t just questioning my logic or pointing out ‘flaws in my argument’, he is ignoring it altogether and filtering my comments thru his dhimmi bias.

Since when is being called a ‘dhimmi’ an insult? After all, ‘Muslim Woman’ mentioned the term and reminded us all of what a pleasure it is to be a protected minority in an Islamic society. What’s the problem?

My signature leaves no doubt which side of this I am on. I do not say one thing in front of such-and-such a group, only to brag about their weakness and ignorance when speaking before my own constituency. That is the ***definition ***of ‘dawaganda’, and yes, you may use the term; however, it is only permissible to use when speaking of the forms of ‘taqqiya’ common with the Muhammadan apologists.

The writers at Answering Islam.org use only authentic Muslim sources and orthodox opinion from both modern and historical texts. If that bothers you, then maybe you need to ask yourself why you are still a Muslim.

One of the things I have noticed about Dhimmi Tomarin is that his rapid fire posts tend to focus on the West, leaving Islam as peachy and polished as possible.

Truly,

Emp. Lothair of Lorraine [Ret.]

Hi Jessie/Lothair:

Does / is Islamic propaganda called “Dawaganda” mean to dawa - to proselytize for Islam??.

Thanks!
Pam

 

[Sister_Amy]

Sister Amy:

Having you so eagerly jump in to defend dhimmi Tomarin did little to help his claim of Christian objectivity. He isn’t just questioning my logic or pointing out ‘flaws in my argument’, he is ignoring it altogether and filtering my comments thru his dhimmi bias.

Since when is being called a ‘dhimmi’ an insult? After all, ‘Muslim Woman’ mentioned the term and reminded us all of what a pleasure it is to be a protected minority in an Islamic society. What’s the problem?

Would you like to be called a dhimmi? I think not. Does he identify himself as a dhimmi? Certainly not. Therefore it’s an insult.

My signature leaves no doubt which side of this I am on. I do not say one thing in front of such-and-such a group, only to brag about their weakness and ignorance when speaking before my own constituency. That is the ***definition ***of ‘dawaganda’, and yes, you may use the term; however, it is only permissible to use when speaking of the forms of ‘taqqiya’ common with the Muhammadan apologists.[/qoote]Dawaganda isn’t a real word, silly, which means it can’t have a real definition. Just like “islamist” “jihadist” and “Muhammadan” aren’t real words either. And if you are familiar with actual Islamic sources, then you would know that lying is prohibited in Islam, except in three cases. None of those three is teaching Islam.

The writers at Answering Islam.org use only authentic Muslim sources and orthodox opinion from both modern and historical texts. If that bothers you, then maybe you need to ask yourself why you are still a Muslim.

Eh? I can’t quite make sense of your logic there, but moving aside that dilemma, I will tell you that I am familiar with “authentic Muslim sources and orthodox opinion from both modern and historical texts.” And I know that Muslim scholars, using the same texts as “answering islam”, arrive at vastly different conclusions. What bothers me about answering islam is their deceitful nature and incorrect conclusions. There is an excellent website, if you’re interested, which answers many of the silly claims out there against Islam, like those found on answering islam. It’s islamic-awareness.org.

One of the things I have noticed about Dhimmi Tomarin is that his rapid fire posts tend to focus on the West, leaving Islam as peachy and polished as possible.

If this were a forum promoting the East and criticizing Christianity, I imagine you would find him taking a position critical of the East instead. I haven’t gotten the impression that he’s defending Islam or promoting Islam, but rather that he’s trying to help other posters take a more honest and objective view at the situation.

Emp. Lothair of Lorraine [Ret.]

What does “Emp.” stand for?

 

[Sister_Amy]

Hi Jessie/Lothair:

Does / is Islamic propaganda called “Dawaganda” mean to dawa - to proselytize for Islam??.

Thanks!
Pam

Da’wah is the Arabic word for inviting someone to Islam. It’s a noun, not a verb.