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Sister_Amy
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Hehehe.
Can you give me an example of aforementioned “dawaganda” and sinister effects, please?
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Lothair
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Happy to. Any debate or lecture held by Ahmed Deedat, Nadir Ahmed, Osama Abdallah, Zaik Nakir, et al.
But, I’ll give you a concrete example. The ‘Science in the Quran’ gambit not only deceives unlearned non-Muslims, but keeps Muslims living inside a system of worship that is a direct challenge to the authority of God and a Luciferian repudiation of Jesus’ death on the Cross [cf. Q. 4:157].
Shall I go on?
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I can’t and I know your inquiry was for Lothair but I would like to say from my end is this.
I’ve mentioned many times on different threads that I belong to other forums.
On one islamic forum, there was this gal who spoke about the conversion of her Christian friend to islam.
So she did what she thought she can do and her converted Christian after 3 or so months started to ask more and more questions about the islamic faith.
So this muslim gal gets on the site and asks the muslims what should she do because she did not reveal the whole islam religion to her Christian friend and she needed advice.
The majority of the posters said to the gal that she should tell her “convert/revert” friend everything immediately and the friend said that she’s afraid that if she tells her everything the friend would back out of islam.
So, is this what Jessie/Lothair mean by sinister means?
Because if Jessie is saying that, I believe Jessies statement is true and this isn’t the first time I’ve read on muslim boards the same story but with different people.
To sum it up, muslims will sugar coat it in the beginning and then… well, there more to islam than we’ve told you!!!
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Sister_Amy
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I’m sorry, I really don’t think I understand you. Could you elaborate further? (I’m familiar with Ahmad Deedat and Zakir Naik, who I think is what you meant to write instead of Zaik Nakir, but I’m not familiar with the other two names actually.) What I mean by elaborate is explain how their “debates” produce sinister effects?
I’d also like to know how you think that Islam is a “system of worship” which is a “direct challenge to the authority of God.”
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empurpledsoul
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Since invite is a transitive verb in English and only a noun when you are using this word for an object (invitation), perhaps this is not the correct word.
Lets check and see:
Da‘wah (Arabic: دعوة) usually denotes preaching of Islam. Da‘wah means literally “issuing a summons” or “making an invitation”, being the active participle of a verb meaning variously “to summon, to invite” (whose triconsonantal root is د ع و). A Muslim who practices da‘wah, either as a religious worker or in a volunteer community effort, is called a dā‘ī, plural du‘āt. A dā‘ī is thus a person who invites people to understand Islam through a dialogical process, and may be categorized in some cases as the Islamic equivalent of a missionary.
Amy, you need to correct wiki, because of course we know you are right.
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Sister_Amy
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Interesting story. I think it is a good example of a person who has very little experience in talking about Islam (the first girl) and who made a personal decision not to fully disclose her beliefs to her friend. Look at how the majority of posters indicated that she should immediately explain the truth of Islam.I can’t and I know your inquiry was for Lothair but I would like to say from my end is this.
I’ve mentioned many times on different threads that I belong to other forums.
On one islamic forum, there was this gal who spoke about the conversion of her Christian friend to islam.
So she did what she thought she can do and her converted Christian after 3 or so months started to ask more and more questions about the islamic faith.
So this muslim gal gets on the site and asks the muslims what should she do because she did not reveal the whole islam religion to her Christian friend and she needed advice.
The majority of the posters said to the gal that she should tell her “convert/revert” friend everything immediately and the friend said that she’s afraid that if she tells her everything the friend would back out of islam.
So, is this what Jessie/Lothair mean by sinister means?
Because if Jessie is saying that, I believe Jessies statement is true and this isn’t the first time I’ve read on muslim boards the same story but with different people.
To sum it up, muslims will sugar coat it in the beginning and then… well, there more to islam than we’ve told you!!!
Do you know why?
Because it is not for people to guide others to Islam, it is for Allah. The job of a person preaching Islam is only to tell the truth, and let Allah guide people.
Your example proves very clearly the importance of being truthful in preaching about Islam, and the mistake of the girl in question was advised to be immediately rectified by telling the truth of everything. Maybe her friend will end up leaving Islam, but that isn’t the point, is it? The point is that the truth be told, even if people don’t like to hear it.
So I agree, it seems, with the majority of the posters, who insisted upon truthful disclosure.
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Sister_Amy
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That’s flattering but of course I’m not always right.
When used in English, the word “Da’wah” functions more as a noun. Giving someone “da’wah” is how the phrase would go, rather than to “da’wah” someone. Make sense?
To do da’wah is to invite. That would be a verb, sure. I don’t really see a problem with the wiki explanation, however, which uses the phrase “practices da’wah.” Perhaps what I am trying to convey wasn’t clear. The poster before me used the phrase “to da’wah” using “da’wah” as a verb like you might say “to run” or “to dance” or “to proselytize.” But that is incorrect, as a nature of translation.
I didn’t think such an explanation was necessary, or that anyone would go to such lengths just to try to tell me I was wrong.
And in this case, it doesn’t seem to me that I was. Better luck next time.
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Sister_Amy
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Sister Amy;5145812:
Incorrect. Incorrect in all senses of the term. It is an insult to call him such, because he isn’t that and doesn’t call himself that. I don’t really see him being “defended” by Muslims. I thought I’d step in in this thread to make a small point. I think if you are honest with yourself, you’ll see he’s only trying to present a more objective view. He’s a long way from promoting Islam, I think.
To another point not quoted here–jihad isn’t a reason for lying. War is. As in the words of Sun Tzu, “war is deception.” When you are at war, it is not necessary to reveal your plans to the enemy, for example. Preaching Islam is not war.I am not at war.
So you are a retired emperor?
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empurpledsoul
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It is a matter of presenting correct information that others not be led astray.
This statement is not fully correct. “A missionary work” is the noun, not the actual act of inviting someone to Islam, which is the verb and it does exist… It depends on how it is being used of course. The poster had this question:
Does / is Islamic propaganda called “Dawaganda” mean to dawa - to proselytize for Islam??.
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Lothair
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Lothair;5145974:
Incorrect. Incorrect in all senses of the term. It is an insult to call him such, because he isn’t that and doesn’t call himself that. I don’t really see him being “defended” by Muslims. I thought I’d step in in this thread to make a small point. I think if you are honest with yourself, you’ll see he’s only trying to present a more objective view. He’s a long way from promoting Islam, I think.
To another point not quoted here–jihad isn’t a reason for lying. War is. As in the words of Sun Tzu, “war is deception.”
.When you are at war, it is not necessary to reveal your plans to the enemy, for example. Preaching Islam is not war.
Your religion is at war with all of humanity that is Dar al-Harb, and that makes you an agent of Islamic ‘dawaganda’ whether you like to think of yourself as a ‘jihadist’ or not.
Lothair has been dead for about 1,000 years, so I guess he has been retired for all that time.
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Aydan
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I stand corrected. I can now tell you that I completely disagree with him. In my own experience my Turkish friends don’t mind that I’m Christian and I never heard any of them say that Christians should be killed in fact they have welcomed me into their community with open arms. Not only that, my good friend is fluent in English and Turkish and he lived in Turkey for almost a year he is Christian** he never had a problem there.** I know from my own personal experience and not every Muslim does not support the death penalty for apostates because my Turkish friends certainly don’t believe that and for that matter neither do my other Muslim friends. Therefore I know that his assertion is completely wrong I know you were joking about being a Muslim actually people really do think I’m Muslim so I’m quite used to stuff like that.
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empurpledsoul
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• DAWAH (noun)
The noun DAWAH has 1 sense:
The noun DAWAH has 1 sense:
- missionary work for Islam
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Lothair
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Muslim_Woman
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In the name of Allah , Most Gracious, Most Merciful
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SICKNESS - A MERCY FROM ALLAH
Last Prophet (peace & blessings of God Almighty be upon him ) said : ‘Whenever a Muslim experiences any hardship like sickness (etc.), Allah Ta’ala wipes away his sins just as a tree sheds its leaves during autumn.’
…(Sometimes) a very high rank (in Allah’s sight) is decreed for a Mu’min which he could never have attained by virtue of his deeds,
so Allah Ta’ala lets him experience some hardship, whether it be physical, material (financial, etc.) or concerning his children.
Then, He makes him patient and lets him attain the position decreed for him.’
…‘Do not curse fever since it wipes out the sins of the Children of Aadam just as a furnace removes dirt from iron.’
…'When a person becomes sick or goes on a journey, then those (good) deeds are written down in his favour which he used to perform when he was at home and in good health
…Rasulullah (Sallallaahu Alayhi Wasallam) has said, ‘When you visit a sick person, then tell him to make dua for you, because his duas are (accepted readily) like the duas of the Angels.’
Doctor - Saudi Arabia
Can you prescribe a Du`a’ that I can say to heal a sickness?
Ahmad Kutty:…First of all, it should be clear that the Prophet, peace and blessing be upon him, instructed us: “Seek medical treatment, for Allah has provided a cure for every illness.” This Hadith should be taken as encouragement to **seek medical treatment along with making Du`a’, **imploring Allah to cure one’s illness. Moreover, when the Prophet was ill, he sought medical treatment.
Excerpted, with slight modifications, from: www.islam.ca
Allah Almighty knows best.
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alinaam.org.za/library/sickness2.htm
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SICKNESS - A MERCY FROM ALLAH
Last Prophet (peace & blessings of God Almighty be upon him ) said : ‘Whenever a Muslim experiences any hardship like sickness (etc.), Allah Ta’ala wipes away his sins just as a tree sheds its leaves during autumn.’
…(Sometimes) a very high rank (in Allah’s sight) is decreed for a Mu’min which he could never have attained by virtue of his deeds,
so Allah Ta’ala lets him experience some hardship, whether it be physical, material (financial, etc.) or concerning his children.
Then, He makes him patient and lets him attain the position decreed for him.’
…‘Do not curse fever since it wipes out the sins of the Children of Aadam just as a furnace removes dirt from iron.’
…'When a person becomes sick or goes on a journey, then those (good) deeds are written down in his favour which he used to perform when he was at home and in good health
…Rasulullah (Sallallaahu Alayhi Wasallam) has said, ‘When you visit a sick person, then tell him to make dua for you, because his duas are (accepted readily) like the duas of the Angels.’
Doctor - Saudi Arabia
Can you prescribe a Du`a’ that I can say to heal a sickness?
Ahmad Kutty:…First of all, it should be clear that the Prophet, peace and blessing be upon him, instructed us: “Seek medical treatment, for Allah has provided a cure for every illness.” This Hadith should be taken as encouragement to **seek medical treatment along with making Du`a’, **imploring Allah to cure one’s illness. Moreover, when the Prophet was ill, he sought medical treatment.
- (O Allah, O Lord of Mankind, remove the affliction and send down cure and healing, for no one can cure but You; so cure in such a way that no trace of illness is left).
- (I beseech Allah, the Great, Lord of the Mighty Throne, to heal me).
- (I seek refuge and protection in the august might and power of Allah from the pain and illness I am suffering from and I’m afraid of).
Excerpted, with slight modifications, from: www.islam.ca
Allah Almighty knows best.
islamonline.net/servlet/Satellite?pagename=IslamOnline-English-Ask_Scholar/FatwaE/FatwaE&cid=1119503545662
alinaam.org.za/library/sickness2.htm
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Lothair
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Just exactly what method did Allah use to provide a cure for every illness? The wings of a fly, correct? In one wing of a fly is the disease, and in the other is the cure?
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Aydan
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of course I have five times as a matter-of-fact. It does not change my experience with Turks or that of my good friend and as I’ve said before I do not agree with everything on that video. Have you ever watched them? Do you agree with what they have to say about Catholicism in that video?
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Sister_Amy
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I stand by what I said.
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