Question on Islam -- round 4

[Jay53]

This has probably been answered before, but I don’t understand: if Allah is just the arabic word for God and is used as such, why don’t the above statements say:

“Telling people about God, for instance, is da’wah. Some people think that Muslims worship another God, so first we start by talking about God. …” Why is there the deliberate change from God to the word Allah?

This also leads me to the question: When the Quran is translated into English, why isn’t Allah translated to God. I believe the verses always read “Allah is…” or “Allah says…” or “Allah and his apostle” etc. Why isn’t it translated to “God is” or “God and His apostle”?

If this has already been discussed somewhere, please point me in the right direction as to the thread. Thank you.

 

[jakasaki]

This also leads me to the question: When the Quran is translated into English, why isn’t Allah translated to God. I believe the verses always read “Allah is…” or “Allah says…” or “Allah and his apostle” etc. Why isn’t it translated to “God is” or “God and His apostle”?

If this has already been discussed somewhere, please point me in the right direction as to the thread. Thank you.

Jay…

From what I remember in prior threads is that is his name, allah. Like my name is Pam.

Let’s hope someone else can give you a proper answer and guide you.

 

[Jay53]

Jay…

From what I remember in prior threads is that is his name, allah. Like my name is Pam.

Let’s hope someone else can give you a proper answer and guide you.

So He changed His name from “I AM” to “ALLAH” which also happened to be the name of a pagan god back then?

 

[Aydan]

Thank you for the info.! I just thought it was very unusual that someone for whom English is their first language would switch between God and Allah. In the sentences given, Allah appears to be a proper name as opposed to just “God” if that makes any sense. I also find it suspect that some of the prayers in Islam are REQUIRED to be in Arabic

why is it unusual? My native language is English and I switch back-and-forth between God and Tanrı which is the Turkish word for God. I do it when I’m writing in English also especially if I’m talking to my Christian friend who speaks Turkish because he uses the Turkish word for God also. Sometimes I don’t want to write God in English so I do it in Turkish I don’t see what the big deal is about an English speaker wanting to say God in another language. I mean my second language is Turkish after all and sometimes I pray in Turkish. Does that make me any less Catholic?

 

[Jay53]

why is it unusual? My native language is English and I switch back-and-forth between God and Tanrı which is the Turkish word for God. I do it when I’m writing in English also especially if I’m talking to my Christian friend who speaks Turkish because he uses the Turkish word for God also. Sometimes I don’t want to write God in English so I do it in Turkish I don’t see what the big deal is about an English speaker wanting to say God in another language. I mean my second language is Turkish after all and sometimes I pray in Turkish. Does that make me any less Catholic?

Not at all if you are fluent in both languages which I don’t believe Amy is (she can correct me if I’m wrong.) Her sentence was just that people think Muslims believe in a different God so she would begin by teaching them about Allah. Why not begin by teaching them about God? It just struck me as unusual the way it was phrased. If she is fluent in both languages and regularly interchanges words so be it. I think many people who speak both Spanish and English fluently do the same thing - interchanging words.

 

[Lothair]

I am curious as to what you say the other god is in islam.

(I say they worship more than just two - allah and mohammed, but also the koran and the black stone - Ali Sina, an Iranian ex-muslim wrote back to a question I had to him about them worshiping mohammed too and he included the black stone and the koran. The black stone is believed by them to have a ‘conscience’ and will speak for them on the day of judgement. Another ex-muslim wrote an article about it on FFI)

But, what do you say?

I agree with you, and would like to expalin why. One, as I mentioned, one of the pagan gods known in Southern Arabia was Rahman, who was later relegated to a mere ‘attribute’ of Allah. So, at the minimum you have two separate gods, not merely titles of the same deity.

Muhammad is in fact a minor deity, though it ***seems ***of a lesser degree than his Allah/Rahman. How is it that Muhammad can be called a minor god? Well, the word ‘Muhammad’ means ‘the praised one’ yet the Quran states that all praise is ‘due to Allah’ [Q. 1:2; 6:1,45; 16:75]. So, if Muhammad is the ‘praised one’ and all praise is due to Allah, then Muhammad is ***either ***Allah or a minor god in the Arabian pantheon of gods. So, depending how you want to look at it, there are at least two gods [Allah/Rahman] and one minor god [Muhammad], unless Muhammad’s name is given its strictest possible meaning, then there are ***at least ***three gods [Allah/Rahman/Muhammad].

One ironic thing to consider. The word Rahman comes from the root word for ‘womb’, which is symbolic of the sacred feminine. So, if you were to start drawing lines to the various dots, the Muslims ***do ***worship a trinity: the **‘Allah’ **the **‘Mother/Womb’ **and the Praised One. Whether Muslims like it or not, Muhammad made up his own trinity, and added himself to it. Of course, this doesn’t even ***consider ***the ‘uncreated Quran’ or the Black Stone. At the end of the day, Muhammadans appear to have at least five gods. But, there are probably more.

 

[Lothair]

why is it unusual? My native language is English and I switch back-and-forth between God and Tanrı which is the Turkish word for God. I do it when I’m writing in English also especially if I’m talking to my Christian friend who speaks Turkish because he uses the Turkish word for God also. Sometimes I don’t want to write God in English so I do it in Turkish I don’t see what the big deal is about an English speaker wanting to say God in another language. I mean my second language is Turkish after all and sometimes I pray in Turkish. Does that make me any less Catholic?

What is unusual is that you are not required to use the Turkish equivalent, nor are you mandated to pray in a specific language. The god of the Muslims must be prayed to in Arabic, though we see evidence of Muhammadan scholars beginning to depart from the mandate for ***new ***converts. That way, Islam is more appealing to Christians and ***no ***Arabic speaker is permitted to pray in an other language.

Muslims try very hard, in the West, to make their god look as much like ours as possible. yet, keep his ***sacred ***name intact to distinguish him from any other deity. Put it this way, ‘Tanri’ means ‘God of the Morning’ in Turkish and while it may be a ***general ***word for God or a god, it is not the name of the Muhammadan god, Allah. They want us all to believe that ‘we all worship the same God’, when speaking to us, yet have a much different opinion when amongst themselves.

Look at it another way, in Greek, ‘theos’ is the general word for god/God, but I refer to Jesus Christ as ‘Kurios Theos’ [Lord God] or Jesus Christ, or Immanuel or as ‘ho logos’ The Word]. I would not refer to Him as ‘theos’ since the general word can indeed refer to ***any ***god.

 

[Sister_Amy]

This has probably been answered before, but I don’t understand: if Allah is just the arabic word for God and is used as such, why don’t the above statements say:

“Telling people about God, for instance, is da’wah. Some people think that Muslims worship another God, so first we start by talking about God. …” Why is there the deliberate change from God to the word Allah?

LOL I meant to use “God” the entire time. To me the words are interchangeable, and I guess I wasn’t paying enough attention. I meant to say “God.” Even in this post I used Allah instead of God and had to go back and change it… I guess I do it without even paying attention sometimes.

 

[Sister_Amy]

Glad to read that you love Sharia Law. It is always nice to read the Muhammadan admit that apostates should be killed, women should be stoned to death and the ‘people of the book’ should be fought against until they submit, die, leave the land or pay jizya. The remainder of your comments are therefore moot.

I love Shari’ah, but what you’ve typed here is something else, and not a true picture of Shari’ah. I think the only reason you don’t love Shari’ah is because someone has not shown you what it’s really like.

No, a 7th century counterfeit version of Moses and Jesus are mentioned in the Quran. You falsely consider both Moses and Jesus forerunners of your prophet, and only believe insofar as you think they were early worshippers of the pagan god Allah.

Insult 1: Calling Moses and Jesus “counterfeit.” Was another prophet born of a virgin, other than Jesus? Did another prophet go to Pharaoh demanding the release of Israelite slaves, other than Moses?
Insult 2: Referring to Allah as a pagan god. There is only one God. Your Allah, my Allah. One.

You prophets Sunnah explicity state that Jews are the enemy of the pagan god Allah, and they should all be killed. Killing the Jews is the emphasis.

Once again, you have called Allah a pagan god. This really hurts my feelings. Please stop.
Secondly, the Qur’an, nor the Sunnah EVER states that Jews should all be killed. In fact, NEVER in the Qur’an or the Sunnah is killing Jews ever emphasized. Jews are people of the book, honored in Islam for receiving scripture (the Torah). They are a nation before the Muslims, and a lesson for the Muslims.

Amy, can you show me one example, from an Islamic message board, where you have made similar comments on these hateful labels?

I don’t understand the question.

Muslims have one opinion about the USA, and it isn’t any less than that establised by the false prophet Abdul Quysim. After all, It is impossible for a true believer to love a kafir: “You will not find people who believe in Allah and the Last Day having love for anyone who opposes Allah and His Messenger” (Qur’an 58-21).

Who is Abdul Quysim? Is he a prophet in islam? Or a false prophet in Islam? One never mentioned before that you just made up or something you read on a website somewhere? I never heard of a person called Abdul Quysim. Secondly, it’s pretty ridiculous to say that all of any group of people have a single opinion. Not even all Americans have the same opinion about America, and there are at least four times as many Muslims as Americans!

These words are not foreign to Islam because your theologians peeled them from our Scriptures. Making up a copy-cat religion is easy to do, just ask a Mormon/Muslim!

Peeled them from your scriptures? Is your scripture a dictionary?

You want some evidence? Here is is ‘The “Samaritan” Error In The Qur’an’,

Evidence of what? That has nothing to do with my point.

Muslims are not assimilationg at all. They are preparing for jihad.

Those two concepts are wholly unrelated. Do you know what jihad is, anyway?

I read the list, and is not only believeable, it is true.

As true as grass is blue and the sky is green. I feel sad for you. The list is pretty absurd, something put together for the sort of people who fall for TV brainwashing. People who don’t bother to look closely at anything, and accept what they are told at face value.

Because for you, it is a comfortable copy-cay. I’ll keep the original.

What is a copy-cay?

 

[Sister_Amy]

Thank you for the info.! I just thought it was very unusual that someone for whom English is their first language would switch between God and Allah. In the sentences given, Allah appears to be a proper name as opposed to just “God” if that makes any sense. I also find it suspect that some of the prayers in Islam are REQUIRED to be in Arabic - as if God prefers or only understands the prayers in that language (which I don’t buy for one minute.) Does anyone know if the prayers are “invalid” according to Islam if they are recited in one’s native language? (I believe it was MuslimWoman who at one time indicated that the ‘required’ prayers had to be in Arabic, but any other prayers offered could be in one’s own tongue.)

Do you take Lothair to be an expert on Islam now? I think he fancies himself one, but anyway. I answered your question. I tend to use Allah as a proper name myself because I read in the Qur’an where Allah names himself as “Allah.” So since “God” revealed a book calling Himself “Allah” but never revealed a book calling Himself “God” I choose to use, for myself at least, what He said.

About prayers being in Arabic, what is suspect about that? Weren’t Catholic homilies delivered in Latin until recently? Now what could possibly be the point of that? Was it suspect, to you? The prayer in Islam called salaat, and only salaat, needs to be in Arabic, because in includes recitation of the Qur’an, which is only in Arabic, as it was revealed. Muslims pray exactly the same, all over the world, and this can only happen with a universal standard. All Muslims learn enough Arabic at least to pray these prayers and understand them.

However, many scholars agree that if someone converts to Islam and doesn’t know any Arabic yet, it is permissible for him to recite the prayers in his native language until he learns how to say them in Arabic.

But it’s kind of bizarre to argue that Arabic prayers mean Allah, whom you call God, cannot understand something in another language. Especially since He is All-Knowing and All-Wise, and hears and knows and understands everything we say, even what we think. And Muslims can pray all their other prayers in any language.

I will say, also, that I don’t believe that Muslims today believe that they are worshipping another god or gods. That may have been what Muhammad and/or Satan started and how Islam began, but I truly believe that Muslims today intend to worship the One True God. Obviously they have a false understanding of Him since Satan has led them to deny the crucifixion, but that’s a whole other topic.

I will say that I don’t believe that Catholics today believe they are worshiping Mary.

And I will say that obviously Christians have a false understanding of the One True God, whom they believe actually walked on earth as a human being, so clearly Satan has led them to excesses in their religion.

 

[Sister_Amy]

This also leads me to the question: When the Quran is translated into English, why isn’t Allah translated to God. I believe the verses always read “Allah is…” or “Allah says…” or “Allah and his apostle” etc. Why isn’t it translated to “God is” or “God and His apostle”?

If this has already been discussed somewhere, please point me in the right direction as to the thread. Thank you.

Sometimes it is. But there are some opinions in Islam that Allah is in fact a proper name, unique that cannot be made feminine or plural, whereas the word “god” can be, and isn’t necessarily proper. Besides, proper names aren’t typically translated, are they? Only sometimes. Is “God” a proper name?

 

[Sister_Amy]

So He changed His name from “I AM” to “ALLAH” which also happened to be the name of a pagan god back then?

Allah was not the name of a pagan god. Even pre-Islamic Arabs, who did worship pagans, understood that Allah was above all their idolatry.

Equivalents of “Allah” in Hebrew and Aramaic appears in the Bible. It is the flaw in reading a translation, that you don’t realize it.

 

[jakasaki]

Sister Amy;5148772]I love Shari’ah, but what you’ve typed here is something else, and not a true picture of Shari’ah. I think the only reason you don’t love Shari’ah is because someone has not shown you what it’s really like.

Please explain to us what your “true picture of Shariah” is.

Insult 1: Calling Moses and Jesus “counterfeit.” Was another prophet born of a virgin, other than Jesus? Did another prophet go to Pharaoh demanding the release of Israelite slaves, other than Moses?

I don’t know about insults, but islams Isa / our Jesus Christ and islams Musa / our Moses are the same people described in the koran.

Insult 2: Referring to Allah as a pagan god. There is only one God. Your Allah, my Allah. One.

Again, I don’t know about insult here but accoring to historical records, PRE-ISLAM there was a pagan god called allah.

And you stated there “is only God” Your Allah, my Allah, one!

What you did is say there is only GOD, and then you wrote, YOUR ALLAH, MY ALLAH.

My caps are not shouting - just bringing out the confusion.

Why not, “there is only God”… “Your God, My God, one”

Once again, you have called Allah a pagan god. This really hurts my feelings. Please stop.

Secondly, the Qur’an, nor the Sunnah EVER states that Jews should **all **be killed.

Interesting choise of words… "Ever states that Jews should **ALL **be killed… "

In fact, NEVER in the Qur’an or the Sunnah is killing Jews ever emphasized. Jews are people of the book, honored in Islam for receiving scripture (the Torah). They are a nation before the Muslims, and a lesson for the Muslims.

Sorry, don’t buy into this. It’s documented in your books. Even mohamad cursed the Jews and Christians on his death bed.

I don’t understand the question.

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Those two concepts are wholly unrelated. Do you know what jihad is, anyway?

Please tell us what jihad is…

As true as grass is blue and the sky is green.

My grass is green and my skies here in New York are blue… not the other way around.

I feel sad for you. The list is pretty absurd, something put together for the sort of people who fall for TV brainwashing. People who don’t bother to look closely at anything, and accept what they are told at face value.

You might feel sad for Lothair, but I too feel sorry for you and pray for you sometimes. Christ is the light and the way. God Bless.

What is a copy-cay?

I believe Lothair was trying to say copy-cat - just a typo error…

 

[Sister_Amy]

I agree with you, and would like to expalin why. One, as I mentioned, one of the pagan gods known in Southern Arabia was Rahman, who was later relegated to a mere ‘attribute’ of Allah. So, at the minimum you have two separate gods, not merely titles of the same deity.

LOL! Wow, this is beyond strange. Ar-Rahman was not the name of a pagan God. The name doesn’t appear anywhere in the article you quoted, I’ll point out, but is in fact an attribute of God appearing in the Torah, known to the Jews, who say Rachman. The Merciful. The Arabs didn’t know the name, they thought it was a person and they used to think that someone named Rahman was actually teaching Muhammad the Qur’an.

Dude, you really need to check your sources.

Muhammad is in fact a minor deity, though it ***seems ***of a lesser degree than his Allah/Rahman. How is it that Muhammad can be called a minor god? Well, the word ‘Muhammad’ means ‘the praised one’ yet the Quran states that all praise is ‘due to Allah’ [Q. 1:2; 6:1,45; 16:75]. So, if Muhammad is the ‘praised one’ and all praise is due to Allah, then Muhammad is ***either ***Allah or a minor god in the Arabian pantheon of gods. So, depending how you want to look at it, there are at least two gods [Allah/Rahman] and one minor god [Muhammad], unless Muhammad’s name is given its strictest possible meaning, then there are ***at least ***three gods [Allah/Rahman/Muhammad].

Hehe. “Alhamdulillah - A Linguistic Miracle of the Qur’an.” Fuzzy logic, my friend. What is your response to 18:110? Say, “I am only a man like you, to whom has been revealed that your god is one God. So whoever would hope for the meeting with his Lord - let him do righteous work and not associate in the worship of his Lord anyone.”

One ironic thing to consider. The word Rahman comes from the root word for ‘womb’, which is symbolic of the sacred feminine. So, if you were to start drawing lines to the various dots, the Muslims ***do ***worship a trinity: the **‘Allah’ **the **‘Mother/Womb’ **and the Praised One. Whether Muslims like it or not, Muhammad made up his own trinity, and added himself to it. Of course, this doesn’t even ***consider ***the ‘uncreated Quran’ or the Black Stone. At the end of the day, Muhammadans appear to have at least five gods. But, there are probably more.

Allah is Ar-Rahman, and Allah is Al-Hameed.

No trinity there, or other Christian or pagan nonsense. Just one God. If you say God, and YHWH, and the Lord, and Elohim, are you talking about different gods or just the one? Just the One.

Before, I thought you were confused. Now, it’s clear you’re something else entirely.

 

[Sister_Amy]

Please explain to us what your “true picture of Shariah” is.

God’s Law. God’s Commandments. Full of wisdom, full of beauty. That God who created all of us understands us, and has prescribed for us what is best for us, and taught it to us through revelation and messengers.

I believe in God. I believe that God created mankind, and that God is wise, All-Wise, and knows what is best for mankind whom He created, and so He taught us the best way to live. That He sent us scripture and He sent us teachers, messengers, so that we might live in the best way. He has given us a Law so that we are not without it. He has given us guidance to know what is right from wrong. Shari’ah is that Law.

I don’t know about insults, but islams Isa / our Jesus Christ and islams Musa / our Moses are the same people described in the koran.

Jesus Christ, the one and the same in both scriptures. Moses, the one and same.

Again, I don’t know about insult here but accoring to historical records, PRE-ISLAM there was a pagan god called allah.

Pre-Muhammad there was God, there was Allah, called Allah, who was never a pagan god.

And you stated there “is only God” Your Allah, my Allah, one!

What you did is say there is only GOD, and then you wrote, YOUR ALLAH, MY ALLAH.

My caps are not shouting - just bringing out the confusion.

Why not, “there is only God”… “Your God, My God, one”

To be more specific.

Interesting choise of words… "Ever states that Jews should **ALL **be killed… "

I’m not the one who brought it up in the first place. That is what the poster alleged, that “Jews should all be killed.”

Sorry, don’t buy into this. It’s documented in your books. Even mohamad cursed the Jews and Christians on his death bed.

Did he? If it’s documented in my books maybe you can give me a reference to that curse? Thanks.

Please tell us what jihad is…

I wrote this post on the subject, though it’s a bit long to post in entirety here. I’m reluctant to quote passages because the whole thing is important.

My grass is green and my skies here in New York are blue… not the other way around.

The point of the statement was to illustrate the fallacious reasoning employed by Lothair when he fell, hook line and sinker as they say, for the really silly comments in that post against Muslims. I was saying essentially that believing those things would be like believing the sky to be green and the grass to be blue–completely backwards.

You might feel sad for Lothair, but I too feel sorry for you and pray for you sometimes. Christ is the light and the way. God Bless.

I always find it pretentious when people say this to me.

I believe Lothair was trying to say copy-cat - just a typo error…

Oh!! That makes sense. I wonder in that case what is so comfortable about the Qur’an, if it’s a “copy-cat” like he says, that I would choose it over the so-called “original.” Any thoughts?

 

[morning_star777]

Allah was not the name of a pagan god. Even pre-Islamic Arabs, who did worship pagans, understood that Allah was above all their idolatry.

Equivalents of “Allah” in Hebrew and Aramaic appears in the Bible. It is the flaw in reading a translation, that you don’t realize it.

Dear sister,I read many islamic history books,written by bangladeshi or indian Muslim writers.they wrote that Meccan pagans also believed in Allah,but Just the difference is,they took partners of Allah like Allat,Manah,Al Ojja as the daughters of Allah.I also read the story of Abraha and abdul Muttalib.he claimed his camel from Abraha and when Abraha asked him,as the meccan leader why he(Abdul Muttalib)not requested Abraha for the safety of KAba,then Abdul Muttalib replied,“I am the owner of my camel so I want them and allah is the lord of Kaba,he will protect Kaba from you”.BTW,can you explain it if they did not believe in Allah then why Abdul Muttalib said so?And What is the meaning of Abdullah?is it not “servant of Allah”?So if Allah was also not a pagan god then where Abdullah came from?And If Allah came from Eloha,then how is it possible that pagans knew the jewish God’s name?And if they knew then they must knew it from jews,correct?So if yes,then they Must had to worship God alone.But they worshiped many gods.So it is clear that allah is also a pagan god.And you know that,the flood of Noah is not only in the bible but the same flood mentioned in babylonian myth.But the story is little different.Babylonian myth said that the god Enlil Occurred the flood.So Babylonian used the name of god enlil,instead of OT God.So do you think that those pagan gods like,enlil,Ea,or marduk also came from hebrew God?(the stories are same).If not,then how can you say that Allah is not a pagan god,because pagans believed Allah as a supreme God?

 

[Lothair]

Sometimes it is. But there are some opinions in Islam that Allah is in fact a proper name, unique that cannot be made feminine or plural, whereas the word “god” can be, and isn’t necessarily proper. Besides, proper names aren’t typically translated, are they? Only sometimes. Is “God” a proper name?

Are you kidding me?! Allah is unique that it cannot be made into the feminine!? How about Al-Lat, the goddess daughter of the pagan god Allah!

When the word g-o-d is spelled in english with a capitol ‘G’ it always refers to Yahweh, so in that regard it is grammatically proper. No english speaking person would think that a reference to G-O-D was pointing to Aphrodite. In Greek, the definite article is necessary in order to point to God, except in a small number of circumstances which are to technical for this post.

However, Allah is meant to be a proper name of a specific god just as Zeus, Apollo or Al-Manat are proper names of particular deities.

My God [eng] theos [Greek] Yehweh [Ivrit] is not your Allah.

 

[Sister_Amy]

Dear sister,I read many islamic history books,written by bangladeshi or indian Muslim writers.they wrote that Meccan pagans also believed in Allah,but Just the difference is,they took partners of Allah like Allat,Manah,Al Ojja as the daughters of Allah.I also read the story of Abraha and abdul Muttalib.he claimed his camel from Abraha and when Abraha asked him,as the meccan leader why he(Abdul Muttalib)not requested Abraha for the safety of KAba,then Abdul Muttalib replied,“I am the owner of my camel so I want them and allah is the lord of Kaba,he will protect Kaba from you”.BTW,can you explain it if they did not believe in Allah then why Abdul Muttalib said so?And What is the meaning of Abdullah?is it not “servant of Allah”?So if Allah was also not a pagan god then where Abdullah came from?

Everything you’ve said here is true, morning_star. Look back at my post, which confirms what you’ve written. The problem is the leap between Allah being a god the pagans knew, and Allah being a pagan god. The first statement is true, the second is false.

Ibraheem/Abraham worshiped Allah, and so did his son, Isma’eel/Ishmael. Ishmael came with his mother (Hajar/Hagar) to the Arabian peninsula and was left there by Abraham. He and his mother continued to worship Allah, and when the tribes came to the valley there, where the well of Zam-Zam was, they also learned about Allah. It was several generations before idols were ever brought to Arabia–by the tribe of Khuza’a, a man named 'Amr ibn Luhayy. And so over time, idols were brought to Mecca, and the House which had been built by Abraham and his son began to house those idols.

But there was no idol for Allah. The Arabs knew Allah, but they used to set up partners with Him. Like you said. They would say that they couldn’t pray directly to Allah but needed to pray to an idol who would then pray to Allah. Or they said that the angels were the daughters of Allah. And they said other things about Allah which were false. They knew about Allah, but what they lacked was the true understanding of tawheed, that Allah is One, that Allah is the Only One worthy of their worship, and that He has no partners.

 

[Sister_Amy]

Are you kidding me?! Allah is unique that it cannot be made into the feminine!? How about Al-Lat, the goddess daughter of the pagan god Allah!

Allah has no son, and no daughter, and is neither masculine nor feminine. If you say Al-Lat you aren’t saying “Allah” are you? More to the point, Al-lat is not a feminine form of the name “Allah” either.

When the word g-o-d is spelled in english with a capitol ‘G’ it always refers to Yahweh, so in that regard it is grammatically proper. No english speaking person would think that a reference to G-O-D was pointing to Aphrodite. In Greek, the definite article is necessary in order to point to God, except in a small number of circumstances which are to technical for this post.

When was the first time the word “God” was ever used?

However, Allah is meant to be a proper name of a specific god just as Zeus, Apollo or Al-Manat are proper names of particular deities.

It’s really rude of you to continue associating the name of Allah with these pagan gods. Yet I don’t understand what your fuss is. “God” is not a proper name. Just like “Lord” isn’t a proper name either. They are words, common nouns with capital letters in order to specify something in particular. Why don’t you just call Him YHWH if that is His name?

My God [eng] theos [Greek] Yehweh [Ivrit] is not your Allah.

There is but one Allah, One God Worthy of Worship. He created you, and He created me. I choose to worship Him. Do you?

 

[morning_star777]

Everything you’ve said here is true, morning_star. Look back at my post, which confirms what you’ve written. The problem is the leap between Allah being a god the pagans knew, and Allah being a pagan god. The first statement is true, the second is false.

Ibraheem/Abraham worshiped Allah, and so did his son, Isma’eel/Ishmael. Ishmael came with his mother (Hajar/Hagar) to the Arabian peninsula and was left there by Abraham. He and his mother continued to worship Allah, and when the tribes came to the valley there, where the well of Zam-Zam was, they also learned about Allah. It was several generations before idols were ever brought to Arabia–by the tribe of Khuza’a, a man named 'Amr ibn Luhayy. And so over time, idols were brought to Mecca, and the House which had been built by Abraham and his son began to house those idols.

But there was no idol for Allah. The Arabs knew Allah, but they used to set up partners with Him. Like you said. They would say that they couldn’t pray directly to Allah but needed to pray to an idol who would then pray to Allah. Or they said that the angels were the daughters of Allah. And they said other things about Allah which were false. They knew about Allah, but what they lacked was the true understanding of tawheed, that Allah is One, that Allah is the Only One worthy of their worship, and that He has no partners.

Well sister Amy,I have added something in my previous post,but it was too late because My net connection in Bangladesh is horribly slow.So please read my post again.And you wrote about tawheed.Well very well.Indeed you know what is it(tawhid).So since jewish people never believed trinity so according to islamic theory,Jews also understand tawhid.Now an off topic question,sorry for that.And that is,if jews understand tawhid then why they are kafir like US?because jews do not accept Muhammed as prophet,correct?So now My question is,who is important in Islam?Allah or one God?or the prophet hood of Muhammed?So Islam based on tawhid or the prophet hood of Muhammed?.thanks